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Getting a 560Ti 2GB would be best,Gainward has a 560Ti 2GB Phantom,Below
http://www.gainward.com/main/vgapro.php?id=458
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I'm just going to throw in ... although I agree with AA regarding the way in which Anthrax is making his point (just blurting out 'wrong' is extremely untactful and borderline trolling) ... the overall sentiment conveyed is worth noting.

I always monitor my vram usage while gaming, and I do see over 1GB of vram usage in a number of games (all of which appear on his list), at least at 1920x1200. I actually have to dial down both AA and textures one notch when playing CoP Complete Mod in order to not cap out my 1280MB. And vram usage in general is going to go nowhere but up in the future, you can bet on that.

Ergo, imho, if one can pick up the 6950 2gb for only a few extra bucks over the Hawk, I think it's very worthwhile to consider it. Esp. if there's a chance of going multi-GPU in the future, as I think it's real nice to have the 2GB of vram if you're going to have that much GPU power.
    
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Originally Posted by brettjv;13656897 
I'm just going to throw in ... although I agree with AA regarding the way in which Anthrax is making his point (just blurting out 'wrong' is extremely untactful and borderline trolling) ... the overall sentiment conveyed is worth noting.

I always monitor my vram usage while gaming, and I do see over 1GB of vram usage in a number of games (all of which appear on his list), at least at 1920x1200. I actually have to dial down both AA and textures one notch when playing CoP Complete Mod in order to not cap out my 1280MB. And vram usage in general is going to go nowhere but up in the future, you can bet on that.

Ergo, imho, if one can pick up the 6950 2gb for only a few extra bucks over the Hawk, I think it's very worthwhile to consider it. Esp. if there's a chance of going multi-GPU in the future, as I think it's real nice to have the 2GB of vram if you're going to have that much GPU power.

I completely agree with everything you said as I was going to say the same, but, my framebuffer comment was actually just pointing out that not many things can max out a 2GB card with 1 1080p display. Keep in mind I said maxing a 2gb card, as there are other framebuffer sizes. But, I realize the 2GB card was brought up as it fell in the budget of the OP.

When talking about performance with hardware nowadays it gets confusing to people since AA/Anisotropic are settings that will forever scale no matter how new hardware is and it's not a definitive setting in a game that doesn't warrant worrying about. Meaning HDR when AGP cards came out was a framerate obliterator, now it's simply laughed at.

This is debatable based on someone's personal definition of performance, if a game went past a 1GB framebuffer with 1 1080p display without absurd AA/Anisotropic settings, then the 560's performance itself would likely be insufficient to begin with, this is what was explained to me when I was originally comparing the MSI GTX 560 Ti TFII/OC to the 2GB 560 Ti Palit.

This will also become more true over time.
Edited by Ascii Aficionado - 5/27/11 at 11:33am
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Originally Posted by Thomas73;13656796 
Getting a 560Ti 2GB would be best,Gainward has a 560Ti 2GB Phantom,Below
http://www.gainward.com/main/vgapro.php?id=458
6950 2GB still beats it.
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Originally Posted by brettjv;13656897 
I'm just going to throw in ... although I agree with AA regarding the way in which Anthrax is making his point (just blurting out 'wrong' is extremely untactful and borderline trolling) ... the overall sentiment conveyed is worth noting.

I always monitor my vram usage while gaming, and I do see over 1GB of vram usage in a number of games (all of which appear on his list), at least at 1920x1200. I actually have to dial down both AA and textures one notch when playing CoP Complete Mod in order to not cap out my 1280MB. And vram usage in general is going to go nowhere but up in the future, you can bet on that.

Ergo, imho, if one can pick up the 6950 2gb for only a few extra bucks over the Hawk, I think it's very worthwhile to consider it. Esp. if there's a chance of going multi-GPU in the future, as I think it's real nice to have the 2GB of vram if you're going to have that much GPU power.

Wasn't trying to troll, I was just stating. I max it out so much I've had to scale it back. On the max memory the 460 allowed me it still ate it up(I was at the max OC on memory AB would do), but not as much, and that was with high and not maxed out.
    
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Well, while we're talking BFBC2 and the 560Ti, I can personally attest to it's abilities. My single Asus 560Ti ran it maxed out with either 8x or 16x AA perfectly with Vsync on at 1080P with a core clock of 975mhz (which was my gaming limit on OC).

The Hawk on the other hand is a whole different beast and a 1000mhz+ overclock should be fairly easy. I absolutely loved my 5770 Hawks... they overclocked like a dream!

However... the ATI camp will argue this point, but crossfire can be *EXTREMELY* finicky when using overclocking utilities such as MSI Afterburner (read: disabling ULPS, registry edits, etc) should you choose to do so in the future. I have had wonderful driver support and SLI performance with Nvidia for nearly a year now (Asus 560Ti SLI, EVGA 460 SLI, Asus GTX 465, MSI GTX 470, Asus GTX 480, MSI GTX 480 Lightning), yet I still see people having troubles with crossfire support.

Don't get me wrong, I loved my multiple 5770 Crossfire setups, my 5850, and my 5870... but at times it felt like a labor of love with those cards.

Just my 2 cents! wink.gif
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The overclock on the Hawk card is really impressive. At the out-of-box clocks, I have no complaints as far as performance goes. I own the card, and I like it very much. Temps are good, I can lower voltage a bit and still get the same speeds, and it runs every game that I play above 30 FPS at max settings (with the unfortunate exception of The Witcher 2--which hovers around 30-40 when almost maxed, which is still much more than playable).

However, I've heard a lot about 6950 2GB models, particularly about their ability to unlock to a 6970.

What I would do, like others have suggested, is pick up a decent 2GB 6950 and unlock it to a 6970. One of the reasons that I picked up the 560 Ti Hawk over that option is because of my past issues with ATI cards; however, that's little more than personal-- I had two 5850s die on me in a couple months, and they both ran very hot (90C was not uncommon). Drivers were a small issue, but it was mainly just my personal experiences and bad luck that made me want to try out a new chipset.

Both cards will do you well, but if you can afford to pick up a nice 2GB 6950 and unlock it, it will likely be a better purchase than the 560 Ti Hawk. Though, I have to say, both are fantastic cards and you won't be disappointed either way.

Good luck with whatever you decide to go with. biggrin.gif
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