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Why is Gentoo "forbidden" anyway?

and is there some sort of reason why Ubuntu is "communist"? this may be all a joke, but i'm just saying.
Gentoo is called forbidden because it's one of the harder distros to learn and use. So, it's "forbidden" to newbies.

As for Ubuntu, technically every distro of Linux could be classified as Communist software, but let's not get too much into that because it borders along political talk.
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Wow I am a complete linux noob! :c I like ubuntu lol.
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Wow I am a complete linux noob! :c I like ubuntu lol.
Nothing wrong with liking Ubuntu... and it does not necessarily make you a noob. Ubuntu just has what us more versed people refer to as Bloatware. You can make Ubuntu a Bloat-free system, and kill Gnome with a bloody hammer, and so on, which just takes non-noobish work. Any Linux OS can move you into "LEETness" if your willing to put the time in. The only "I'm a Noob, durrrrr" Ubuntu is the one left untouched by heavy customization.
    
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just use the ubuntu server iso and apt-get install whatever you need

but still, the pulseaudio issues. i can't recommend ubuntu until they've fixed pulseaudio. if they ever fix the sound, the server install is pretty nice. its 2011 and they've managed to severely break something that worked fine back in 1998. sound judgement!
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post #35 of 40
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Nah. Just how hard is gentoo to install compared to Ubuntu?
Imagine the difference between going to the doctor for surgery, and being old by the doctor how to do surgery on yourself over the phone.

The 'standard' Gentoo install has no install wizard. You manually partition your HDD, set the mountpoints, unpack the system tarball, CHROOT into your new environment, compile a kernel, install the compiled kernel, configure the package manager, install the packages, and reboot [all while crossing your fingers].

[DISCLAIMER: it might not be in that order, but a gentoo install DOES entail all of that]
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just use the ubuntu server iso and apt-get install whatever you need

but still, the pulseaudio issues. i can't recommend ubuntu until they've fixed pulseaudio. if they ever fix the sound, the server install is pretty nice. its 2011 and they've managed to severely break something that worked fine back in 1998. sound judgement!
If you want Ubuntu without the bloatware, just go with Debian.
post #36 of 40
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those steps are about right. I think you're overstating it though, no reason to be intimidated, it's easier than you think.. no crossing of the fingers if you are literate and follow the guide.

last time i tried debian ~2007 it was starting programs that were 5+ years old. e.g. is still had eclipse 2.3 when i had 3.2 at work. lol ... I remember i was frustrated that i was stuck with some other old packages, and then i installed/started eclipse, saw the eclipse 2.3 splash screen and shut it off.

ubuntu WAS better around that time. now i think they've got too many chefs in the kitchen, and too many bugs. debian stable branch collects too much dust.

bleeding edge is where its at for the most part.

but not testing/experimental, that's a huge waste of time and a good source of anger and frustration.
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post #37 of 40
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those steps are about right. I think you're overstating it though, no reason to be intimidated, it's easier than you think.. no crossing of the fingers if you are literate and follow the guide.
I've tried a few times, but I keep botching the kernel compilation. I eventually gave up in favor of arch.

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last time i tried debian ~2007 it was starting programs that were 5+ years old. e.g. is still had eclipse 2.3 when i had 3.2 at work. lol ... I remember i was frustrated that i was stuck with some other old packages, and then i installed/started eclipse, saw the eclipse 2.3 splash screen and shut it off.
IIRC Debian lags behind in the name of stability. The testing repo is supposed to be almost on par with the rest of the world, but experimental is the bleeding edge / unstable repo.

I've never really tried Debian to be honest, so IDK, this is just what I'm told.

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ubuntu WAS better around that time. now i think they've got too many chefs in the kitchen, and too many bugs. debian stable branch collects too much dust.
I also think they're trying too hard to fill the niche Apple has created, and not all that well either IMO. They keep taking away choice in the name of simplicity, and it's really divorcing them from the rest of Linux.

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bleeding edge is where its at for the most part.
I like the rolling release style Arch has going. That, and pacman is *awesome*.
post #38 of 40
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Nothing wrong with liking Ubuntu... and it does not necessarily make you a noob. Ubuntu just has what us more versed people refer to as Bloatware. You can make Ubuntu a Bloat-free system, and kill Gnome with a bloody hammer, and so on, which just takes non-noobish work. Any Linux OS can move you into "LEETness" if your willing to put the time in. The only "I'm a Noob, durrrrr" Ubuntu is the one left untouched by heavy customization.
I said I was a noob because I've only been running linux for ~3 days although I have already compiled my own kernel twice and been forced to find different wireless drivers.
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Nothing wrong with liking Ubuntu... and it does not necessarily make you a noob. Ubuntu just has what us more versed people refer to as Bloatware. You can make Ubuntu a Bloat-free system, and kill Gnome with a bloody hammer, and so on, which just takes non-noobish work. Any Linux OS can move you into "LEETness" if your willing to put the time in. The only "I'm a Noob, durrrrr" Ubuntu is the one left untouched by heavy customization.
theres a lot more wrong with ubuntu than just that the thing that annoys me the most is the 6 month release cycle with seemingly random kernel updates... the stupid distro maintainers break half the packages every update and you have to purge and reinstall stuff just to fix it or jump through some serious hoops to make it so the system updates dont break everything :/ ubuntu maintainers are incompetent imo

on the subject of debian, theres no reason you have to use software that is old, you can upgrade to the testing branch and get fairly new packages or you can just install stuff manually... i dont think the stable branch is as bas as people keep saying :/

@Bluescreen_Of_Death calling debian a less bloated version of ubuntu is an insult to the distro :/ the only thing they ahve in common anymore is the package manager
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great communist empire of ubuntu

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