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post #11 of 24
Let me make my post again, this time adding in emphasis.

Given the ANSI-style Return key appeared after the ISO style one, in response to people complaining about the ISO style one, I'm not sure that's quite how it happened.
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post #12 of 24
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Let me make my post again, this time adding in emphasis.

Given the ANSI-style Return key appeared after the ISO style one, in response to people complaining about the ISO style one, I'm not sure that's quite how it happened.
Really i think this is a retrofitted theory.

Americans complaining about the ISO layout just because are used to the ANSI one.

When this layout was not existent no one was used to it, so no one was complaining.
post #13 of 24
The ANSI layout was the result of IBM making a keyboard layout more similar to that of the Selectric/Selectric II layouts because people didn't like the 5250-style layout used on the original PC (which was somewhat similar to the modern ISO layout).

The ISO layout was made for European countries in order to accommodate extra keys for accented characters. This was done at the expense of making the Return key more awkward to reach, and shrinking the left shift.
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post #14 of 24
The space for the extra key on ISO KB is at the expense of the left shift, the enter key has nothing to do with it.

The ISO enter is a bit larger just because it uses more efficiently the space, which is wasted on ANSI keyboards by the pointlessly large \\| key.
post #15 of 24
I don't see how it's more efficient. Both designs have two keys in the space of a Selectric II style return key. The ANSI puts a key over the return, the ISO puts it beside the return on the home row. Same number of keys, the main different is that ISO requires you to move your hand to hit the Return, whereas in ANSI you only have to move your little finger. Sure, on the ISO layout the other keys is easier to reach, but hey, which do you use more often - \\| or Return?
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post #16 of 24
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I don't see how it's more efficient.
The ISO enter key has a larger area w/o forcing to shrink other keys.

Gives more asking the same. More efficient.

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Sure, on the ISO layout the other keys is easier to reach, but hey, which do you use more often - \\| or Return?
Personally I use more that damn \\| key (although not purposely) , since I'm using an ANSI layout keyboard being used to ISO...
post #17 of 24
The larger size is only relevant because on an ISO board, you have to move your hand to hit return. With ANSI, it's just a case of moving your finger over. Thus the ISO one is both clumsy and inefficient during typing.
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post #18 of 24
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The larger size is only relevant because on an ISO board, you have to move your hand to hit return. With ANSI, it's just a case of moving your finger over. Thus the ISO one is both clumsy and inefficient during typing.

Even assuming this as true I still can't understand why complaining about the big ass enter.

I think is just the usual dose of self centrism, applied also to tiny things like a keyboard layout, and the technical reasons are just the official, "politically correct" version of the facts.
post #19 of 24
It's a very simple concept. The ANSI enter is located in such a way that you only have to move the little finger on your right hand to hit it when your hand is in the typing position. The ISO one is located too far over to the right to do this, thus requiring you to lift your hand out of the typing position to press it.

And before you start throwing around big words like "self centrism", bear in mind that I was typing on ISO keyboards for a good ten years or so before I started typing on ANSI ones, and I still switch between ISO and ANSI keyboards on a regular basis (my laptop still has an ISO keyboard, and of course the keyboards at work or college). In reality, there probably isn't a substantial difference between how fast I can type on an ANSI keyboard, and how fast I can type on an ISO one because my typing style has developed so that I can switch between the two quickly, but I do have a preference for the ANSI arrangement with its more elegant physical key placement.

But speaking of "self centrism", you seem to have a thing about ANSI being "wrong" because you aren't used to typing on one. People on the internet are funny like that.
Edited by ch_123 - 5/28/11 at 9:30am
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post #20 of 24
*Watches thread branch off into nothingness.*

Come on guys, there is so much else to tear apart about this keyboard and you guys choose to attack the enter key?
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