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Arch is going to be your first DIY install. All the other installers are basically wizards that get you to a DE. Arch, on the other hand, will basically give you what you'd find on a minimal-server install. Literally nothing but the essentials needed to boot. No GUI, no applications, etc... Actually IIRC the Arch wizard even lets you choose things like bootloaders etc... along the way.

If you prefer having the huge amount of support that is Debian/Ubuntu with the customizability of Arch, go for Debian. You can install it DIY just like Arch and you can easily use unstable repos on Debian to get [just] as bleeding as Arch. I'd bet that the bleeding-edge Debian hits less bugs, but doesn't patch them as fast as Arch.

Sometimes when I see .debs on download sites, I wish that my distro had all the support Debian does, but then I just "clyde -Ss application" and it's already in the AUR.
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Arch has security issues, pretty blatent ones too. For example, they don't use signed packages. There's other reasons as to why Arch is insecure. I wouldn't use it for a server, ever. [edit] I also really don't like using it for a desktop for that same reason but I deal with it. I don't have anything important on here anyways.
Edited by mushroomboy - 5/30/11 at 3:24pm
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I'll put Debian back on my list then. Still testing...
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I'll put Debian back on my list then. Still testing...
If you use debian I would do a net install, it's the same concept as Arch but with a little more automation. I would also move to the Testing branch instantly, Stable is way old IMO.
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That's how I got it onto the CD. The torrent for some reason is missing.
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Arch has security issues, pretty blatent ones too. For example, they don't use signed packages. There's other reasons as to why Arch is insecure. I wouldn't use it for a server, ever. [edit] I also really don't like using it for a desktop for that same reason but I deal with it. I don't have anything important on here anyways.
Signed packages is a thing that's always brought up. There are applications you can use to check the integrity of packages across other mirrors (paccheck I believe it's called). You could easily integrate it with pacman/whatever by writing a bash script. The thing is if Arch wants to sign packages they want to do it RIGHT and not just have some sha1 checksums. So far, not many people have contributed, and so it's not high on the list of things to do. For the amount of complaining you hear about it, none of those people really care enough to contribute some code.

I do agree though, that Arch is definitely not for server-use. The philosophy doesn't fit.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that looking at a lot of the recent pacman development, it looks like the Arch devs are definitely trying to get things moving on package signing. We'll have to wait and see the community's reaction.
Edited by Jimi - 5/30/11 at 4:02pm
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Arch has security issues, pretty blatent ones too. For example, they don't use signed packages. There's other reasons as to why Arch is insecure. I wouldn't use it for a server, ever. [edit] I also really don't like using it for a desktop for that same reason but I deal with it. I don't have anything important on here anyways.
Interesting... I was not aware of this. Of course it is good to make sure you have respectable mirrors (one's with .edu or others), but other than that I don't see it being too blatant a security risk. Of course you would like to know that you are downloaded the packages that came directly from the developers, but if the Arch devs got hacked themselves, signed packages would have no effect. Just get mirrors you can trust, and signed packages aren't too necessary.

With that said, it is always best to have them than not... but motivation in the Arch community seems quite slow... so there is nothing we can do about it.
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Quick question, can Wine make Microsoft Office run on Linux?
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Quick question, can Wine make Microsoft Office run on Linux?
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManage...sion&iId=12811

No not well as far as I know. I use LibreOffice for PowerPoint, Abiword for word processing, and gnumeric for spreadsheet. It looks like attempts to get it to work have fallen short because of the number of things in Office that are broken in WINE.

EDIT:
They say koffice can be a good substitute if you don't like libreoffice. I haven't tried koffice though:
http://www.koffice.org/
Edited by Rothen - 5/30/11 at 4:16pm
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I used LibreOffice and OpenOffice. Sadly, OpenOffice will no longer get updates. LibreOffice isn't to my liking. I don't like the Office 2003 layout even though both of them have it. For some reason, OpenOffice just seems...smoother. I could simply use Google Docs since I'll always have internet access. I might even get Win 7 or 8 and a Linux but that wouldn't be money well spent (it would be good for those who don't want extra software to make things work). I'm okay with Windows but I just love linux.
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