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True, I read somewhere today that the PS3 graphics cards is based of the 7900GT?
A pimped 7800GTX.
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Chris Taylor is a long-time voice for PC gamers. This article carries about as much insight as the a Sony game developer saying that Playstation is better than Xbox, or someone who sells parts to Ford saying that the F-150 is a better truck than the Dodge Ram. Of course they are going to say that. They may certainly believe it to their core, but they also have a vested interest in the advocacy they are spouting.

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In this modern Future World of PCs, tablets, smart phones, and other Swiss army knives of technological prowess, is there still room for single-purpose devices?
Of course there is. In many, many cases the specialized device performs its task better than the generalized device. As long as it is priced appropriately, it can and should sell well. Not everyone wants an iPad, some people just want to read a frickin eBook (in the sun). The trouble comes when those specialty devices cost more than they should...the closer you get to the price point of the general device, the more attractive its price-to-feature balance becomes.

But a major issue with Chris's argument here is claiming that consoles are single-function devices. That's just not true anymore...at least technically. Even the PS2 was used as a DVD player, so even then a console was not a single-function device. Today, I use my PS3 as a Blu-Ray player and Netflix terminal exclusively...I play no games at all on it. Once Microsoft finishes the Skype acquisition and works that into Live (especially coupled with Kinect), goodness...the Xbox could be less about gaming than it is basic interaction with your social network (meaning family and friends, not the random Live or Facebook "friends" that are actually total strangers.)

Here's the actual nugget of truth that this article completely ignores: the cable box is on the verge of being a dead platform, not game consoles. Bill Gates' 1990's vision of replacing the cable box with his own set top box is becoming more and more possible. In ten years, will anyone still need cable? ("Need", not "want".) If Netflix and its competition provides access to all of the "television content" we need, in an on-demand fashion, you won't need a cable box anymore. That is the true single-function device (decoding encrypted TV streams served according to the cable company's time schedule and agenda, not the content consumer's) that can, and will, be replaced by what we call "game consoles" today.

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Consoles are a closed platfom, PC is an open platform.

Open paltforms never die.

period.
Um...audio cassettes? Video tapes? Cripes, even paper books (outsold by eBooks this year for the first time, according to a recent article that I read on MSN, I think).

Never say never. Everything can "die" if something better comes along.

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More and more we want our devices to do everything. Specialization will not be around forever. Consoles have a limited life. Computers in one form or other will last far longer.
Depends on what you are classifying as a "computer", I guess.

I truly believe than in 10 years time, Average Joe will no longer be buying boxy desktop PCs. They just don't need them, and there is just no reason to be anchored to a desk anymore. Tablets will continue to take over the world...no one who really only surfs the web and does e-mail/social networking will have a reason to use anything else. Laptops will be for the people who can't let go. And PCs will be for us...people who like to build their own hot rods.

But like I said, specialization will never fully go away. We already have computers in our card, refridgerators, geez pretty much everything, right? Do I want my refridgerator to cost an extra $300 because there is a full-blown PC-like computer ot tablet built in, or do I want the much cheaper specialized hardware that does only what it needs to do? I don't think I need to play Angry Birds on my fridge, so I vote for el cheapo specialized model.
Edited by VulcanDragon - 5/29/11 at 5:14pm
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PC > Console hands down. But consoles can put out much better graphics with the same hardware. Optimization. So what happens now? When CPU's are going well beyond our current needs, and GPU's are doing the same. PC parts prices are dropping all over the place and building an entry level single monitor (1080 or 1050) can be done for pretty cheap. So if Consoles are just PC's with a very closed environment and extremely optimized, why would consoles go away? The parts for them will get cheaper and cheaper and they can afford to stay a generation, or 2, maybe 3 or 4 behind (considering a GPU like a 4870 would still work well in consoles, well it does. Isn't the wii2/p.cafe going to use R700 based GPU?)

So as far as I'm concerned, we're at a point where Consoles might actually pick up, and if they are built well enough, and cheap enough *cough Sony B-Ray ripoof *cough* and still to tried and true cheaper hardware, they can afford to have a new console every 3-5 years as long as they stay backwards compatible, something I think would be quite easy if developed from the ground up to be a platform like that.

But I think as consoles get to be more computer like, and computer gaming becomes easier and cheaper, you'll see game dev's build for the PC most of the time. Just my 2 cents.
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isn't the pc also a form of "console" gaming?

unless the majority of pc game support split screen multiplayer, consoles are here to stay
   
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Perhaps it is time to go for something hybrid, eg like an amiga 500 with keyboard and video output.

For many this was the middle ground between a desktop pc and a box console till the early nineties.

I cant believe people type still with the joystick on consoles
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More and more we want our devices to do everything. Specialization will not be around forever. Consoles have a limited life. Computers in one form or other will last far longer.
and, as Microsoft and sony continue to make their systems do everything, eventually, they will become a computer.
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Neither are going anywhere anytime soon, they just go through ups and downs based on hardware and software trends over the last few years.
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I truly believe than in 10 years time, Average Joe will no longer be buying boxy desktop PCs. They just don't need them, and there is just no reason to be anchored to a desk anymore. Tablets will continue to take over the world...no one who really only surfs the web and does e-mail/social networking will have a reason to use anything else. Laptops will be for the people who can't let go. And PCs will be for us...people who like to build their own hot rods.
If you consider that the average joe doesn't game, then that would be true. But gaming (and not just facebook games) is becoming more and more mainstream. (alas at the cost of the quality of games which are being "serialized")

So I don't think that's quite necessary that PC will be the equivalent of a hot rod. Nothing will ever be able to truly match the raw power of pcs. The tablets are increasing in power, but so are desktop computers. I don't think tablets will be able to handle games that will require pure processing power. (with DX13 and the such )

The only thing that might break that chain is cloud computing. But I don't see this happening any time soon. Not with the caps getting tighter in the US and the like, and not until most of the world gets at least acceptable latency and connection speeds.

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isn't the pc also a form of "console" gaming?

unless the majority of pc game support split screen multiplayer, consoles are here to stay
Lan/Steam > split screen
You can't have 8-16 people playing a game in the same room with consoles...
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If you consider that the average joe doesn't game, then that would be true. But gaming (and not just facebook games) is becoming more and more mainstream. (alas at the cost of the quality of games which are being "serialized")

So I don't think that's quite necessary that PC will be the equivalent of a hot rod. Nothing will ever be able to truly match the raw power of pcs. The tablets are increasing in power, but so are desktop computers. I don't think tablets will be able to handle games that will require pure processing power. (with DX13 and the such )
Look through any PC gaming forum and you will inevitably find a fair number of people complaining about how PC games are being "dumbed down" for the console crowd. What you should take away from that observation are two things:

1. Those people are the hot rodders, that have very nice PCs and want (obviously) games that can take advantage of their expensive investment. The trouble is that game developers cannot focus on a niche crowd, they have to expend their expensive resources satisfying the largest audience. Which leads to #2...

2. Because developers aren't generally coding for the bleeding edge capabilites of $600 cards, PC games are already capable of being played on the newest laptops with decent settings. Note that I did not say "highest" settings, which is where all of us want to live...I said "decent" settings. The gaming capabilities of a Sandy Bridge laptop are impressive when you compare to what a laptop could do 10, or even 5, years ago. Extrapolate another 10 years from now. The raw power in a 2021-era "laptop" (or whatever form factor is dominant in 10 years) will provide exceptional gaming capabilities. Sure, we die-hards may complain that it's not in 8000x4500 resolution, or doesn't use super tessefractialationary hypergons, or volumasstric smoke simulation, or whatever the largely pointless graphics issue rules the day that year. But 99.9% of the world will not care...they will happily be playing games that look pretty frickin sweet on their commodity latop/tablet/whatever.

I do truly believe the PC era is in its twilight. It has a while to go yet, and it's not like something good is just going to be taken away from us overnight. It will be gradually replaced by other form factors, and after a while people will forget that we even used to be bound to a "desktop PC". It's not crazy. Think telephone booths. These things were just always there...it was simply impossible that they would not be there...until they weren't. (I'll bet there are a lot of you young'uns on these forums that have never actually even seen a telephone booth!)
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post #30 of 52
The best way to ensure PC gaming, invite friends over, and brain wash them with info and facts about why PC gaming is superior. I got my friends to spend about $20k on computer parts over the last year. Before that, they were all die-hard xbox fanboys.
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