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Look through any PC gaming forum and you will inevitably find a fair number of people complaining about how PC games are being "dumbed down" for the console crowd. What you should take away from that observation are two things:

1. Those people are the hot rodders, that have very nice PCs and want (obviously) games that can take advantage of their expensive investment. The trouble is that game developers cannot focus on a niche crowd, they have to expend their expensive resources satisfying the largest audience. Which leads to #2...

2. Because developers aren't generally coding for the bleeding edge capabilites of $600 cards, PC games are already capable of being played on the newest laptops with decent settings. Note that I did not say "highest" settings, which is where all of us want to live...I said "decent" settings. The gaming capabilities of a Sandy Bridge laptop are impressive when you compare to what a laptop could do 10, or even 5, years ago. Extrapolate another 10 years from now. The raw power in a 2021-era "laptop" (or whatever form factor is dominant in 10 years) will provide exceptional gaming capabilities. Sure, we die-hards may complain that it's not in 8000x4500 resolution, or doesn't use super tessefractialationary hypergons, or volumasstric smoke simulation, or whatever the largely pointless graphics issue rules the day that year. But 99.9% of the world will not care...they will happily be playing games that look pretty frickin sweet on their commodity latop/tablet/whatever.

I do truly believe the PC era is in its twilight. It has a while to go yet, and it's not like something good is just going to be taken away from us overnight. It will be gradually replaced by other form factors, and after a while people will forget that we even used to be bound to a "desktop PC". It's not crazy. Think telephone booths. These things were just always there...it was simply impossible that they would not be there...until they weren't. (I'll bet there are a lot of you young'uns on these forums that have never actually even seen a telephone booth!)
people complaining about dumbed down games, arent talking about graphics. They are talking about gameplay.

Kinda like how bioware games are a mockery of their early games. Or how you cant find an RPG that doesnt have ! over NPC heads, or tell you every step of every quest.

Or how about the fact that games keep getting redesigned to broaden its appeal. Thats fancy speak for we made it so easy that an 8 year old can beat it with his eyes closed, in about 4 hours just incase his attention span is limited.
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Okay but you will never remove the fact that with a console you turn it on, plug in a few controllers and start killing all your friends.

It's too simple to get rid of. It's too easy to put in a disc and call it a day
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I'd like to see him explain himself a bit, as I'm at a loss as to what hurdles he thinks will present themselves to consoles and not PC.
I think the hurdles are obvious. Tablets, phones and PC's are getting more and more powerful. Why buy a console when you can just hook your notebook's HDMI up to your TV and play the newest games?

Of course, talking near future here with Tablets, phones... Not now.

But with PC's and notebooks, Intel's 3000 can play BBC2, Crysis 2, and even Metro 2033 on low at playable frame rates (albeit barely with Metro 2033). Dirt 3 on medium. That means any new base PC or Notebook with a full powered CPU can play some if not most of the newest games right out of the box.
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lol

i don't think consoles are going anywhere anytime soon... however i do see current consoles entering end of life soon seeing as we have all these wii2/xbox720/ps4 rumors/new articles popping up
Consoles are ok, I love my PS3 due to the fact that is it by far the very best blu-ray and netflix player on the market.
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He has a pretty good point. With the advent of these multipurpose tablet computing devices, and with more people gaming on things like iPad's or Xooms or iPhones, I think that there is a real competitor to the one use only consoles.

Sure you can watch movies, but can you do business email and work on an xbox 360? No. Can you do it on an iPad or Droid? Yes. I think it's not PC's that will be the end of the console, but the mobile devices getting better support and more power in smaller sizes.

Just my 2c.
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people complaining about dumbed down games, arent talking about graphics. They are talking about gameplay.

Kinda like how bioware games are a mockery of their early games. Or how you cant find an RPG that doesnt have ! over NPC heads, or tell you every step of every quest.

Or how about the fact that games keep getting redesigned to broaden its appeal. Thats fancy speak for we made it so easy that an 8 year old can beat it with his eyes closed, in about 4 hours just incase his attention span is limited.
Indeed. Yes, I could have used another Crysis-like game with amazing graphics and sandbox-y features, but I still put in hours upon hours every week into various DOS titles so obviously graphics are not what defines games for me. Heck, I just finished a 2-hour session of X-COM UFO Defense, game dating back to early-mid 90s. I think this is the case with many(most?) folks out there pointing out the now pretty obvious decline in PC gaming. There is simply more money in consoles, and with the global economy being in the state that it is, the decline will continue. Here is a old graph from a now 4 year old article on Ars:



The graph goes as far as 2007, but you can easily extrapolate the numbers for the following years.

Speaking of Crysis, what more do you need as proof than Crysis 2. A dedicated PC dev studio goes all hardcoreeh console with their primary title, Crysis 2 aka we couldn't call it Call of Crysis.

Also, speaking of X-COM, want a true PC title and a faithful X-COM clone? Check out Xenonauts @ http://www.xenonauts.com. PC Gamer and several others just did a preview of the alpha build. It's turn based and all. Yes, PC gaming is going down like the Titanic, slowly, but there is still some fun to be had.


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Indeed. Yes, I could have used another Crysis-like game with amazing graphics and sandbox-y features, but I still put in hours upon hours every week into various DOS titles so obviously graphics are not what defines games for me. Heck, I just finished a 2-hour session of X-COM UFO Defense, game dating back to early-mid 90s. I think this is the case with many(most?) folks out there pointing out the now pretty obvious decline in PC gaming. There is simply more money in consoles, and with the global economy being in the state that it is, the decline will continue. Here is a old graph from a now 4 year old article on Ars:



The graph goes as far as 2007, but you can easily extrapolate the numbers for the following years.

Speaking of Crysis, what more do you need as proof than Crysis 2. A dedicated PC dev studio goes all hardcoreeh console with their primary title, Crysis 2 aka we couldn't call it Call of Crysis.

Also, speaking of X-COM, want a true PC title and a faithful X-COM clone? Check out Xenonauts @ http://www.xenonauts.com. PC Gamer and several others just did a preview of the alpha build. It's turn based and all. Yes, PC gaming is going down like the Titanic, slowly, but there is still some fun to be had.


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One word for you... Steam.

I know Value won't release the sales numbers; however, even without looking at the numbers you can safely assume that that the chart would look very different today.
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One word for you... Steam.

I know Value won't release the sales numbers; however, even without looking at the numbers you can safely assume that that the chart would look very different today.
http://www.steamcalculator.com/

average value of steam accounts a little over 700$ there are 405398, that are in there, thats a little under 300 million, for just the accounts that have gone through. something really tells me that those graphs are off
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I completely disagree. Expensive hardware, poorly optimized games, and integrated graphics are responsible for putting pc gaming in the rut its in. I wouldn't say its boosted console sales, but people forget to look at it from the perspective of the parents. If it costs several hundred less and has the same games, they will go for the cheaper one. No average parent can tell the difference between Crysis 2 on the ps3/xbox and pc from looking at the box.
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http://www.steamcalculator.com/

average value of steam accounts a little over 700$ there are 405398, that are in there, thats a little under 300 million, for just the accounts that have gone through. something really tells me that those graphs are off
Users online peak at around 3 million every day according to steam. So there are a lot more than 400 000 accounts.
 
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