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I'd say go with the MSI for better cooling and for quiet fans, unless you have other cooling plans. The evga will heat up like a beast and the fan will be noisy.
Are you thinking about the regular SC with the reference cooling?
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A more suitable comparison would be the ASUS DCII vs MSI Lightning.

Both use 2x8pin connectors, 16 phases , same amount of VRM´s etc and they are the only 580´s using these overclocking enhancing features/components.

Also you should take into consideration the ASUS Matrix GTX 580 but I think it will just be to damn pricey to be competitive.

So basically in 580´s at a reasonable price it comes down to ASUS DCII vs MSI Lightning.

And here you have to gather all the facts , info etc to make a decision.
For example : On HWbot almost all the scores are made with DCII and less by Lightnings.
I think ASUS is cherrypicking more chips than MSI.
Forget about EVGA!

OP change the thread to DCII VS Lightning because it is the only fitting comparison.

Let´s narrow down which card cools better , will score better and has more oc features.

I for one can say the ASUS is cheaper than the Lightning.
Also people are claiming ASUS is cooler.

In terms of overclocking I can only refer to HWbot scores which are to 70% achieved by DCII than with Lightnings.
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Forget about EVGA!

OP change the thread to DCII VS Lightning because it is the only fitting comparison.

Let´s narrow down which card cools better , will score better and has more oc features.

I for one can say the ASUS is cheaper than the Lightning.
Also people are claiming ASUS is cooler.

In terms of overclocking I can only refer to HWbot scores which are to 70% achieved by DCII than with Lightnings.
Why does the ASUS have to be so good... I don't want to buy that ugly fat beast.
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Why does the ASUS have to be so good... I don't want to buy that ugly fat beast.
Excuse you, the DCII is one sexy card, not their problem you have bad taste.

W/e, well then go with the lightning. If you ever water cool then this will reach sky high compared to everyone else since the temp problem is gone.
     
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Why does the ASUS have to be so good... I don't want to buy that ugly fat beast.
After informing about this subject I can tell you this.

The ASUS has been out longer than the MSI Lightning meaning people had more chances of tweaking and testing it I think that is the main reason why there are more HWBOT scores of the DCII than with the Lightning.

In terms of cooling several reviews like for example TechPowerUp have said the DCII is quieter and better than the Lightning at full load.

In terms of overclocking one would think the Lightning would take the metal because of the 16x phases , better and more VRM´s and 2x8pin connector .

But although lacking those features the ASUS has managed to achieve just as high clocks if not higher which is really surprising to me.

Many speculators say that ASUS is cherry picking their chips in order to provide a better overclock.


So it comes down to your requirements.

If you can fit triple slot and don´t have the best airflow and SLI wishes you should get the ASUS.

If you would like to SLI in the future although SLI is not recommended with a non ref cooling solution since they all exhaust in to the case go with MSI.

MSI theoratically should be the better overclocker and coolingwise it is only very slightly inferior.
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post #16 of 49
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Originally Posted by Kung Pow View Post
After informing about this subject I can tell you this.

The ASUS has been out longer than the MSI Lightning meaning people had more chances of tweaking and testing it I think that is the main reason why there are more HWBOT scores of the DCII than with the Lightning.

In terms of cooling several reviews like for example TechPowerUp have said the DCII is quieter and better than the Lightning at full load.

In terms of overclocking one would think the Lightning would take the metal because of the 16x phases , better and more VRM´s and 2x8pin connector .

But although lacking those features the ASUS has managed to achieve just as high clocks if not higher which is really surprising to me.

Many speculators say that ASUS is cherry picking their chips in order to provide a better overclock.


So it comes down to your requirements.

If you can fit triple slot and don´t have the best airflow and SLI wishes you should get the ASUS.

If you would like to SLI in the future although SLI is not recommended with a non ref cooling solution since they all exhaust in to the case go with MSI.

MSI theoratically should be the better overclocker and coolingwise it is only very slightly inferior.
To add more.

If you can afford to sli. You can afford to water cool. If you can affor to water cool, get the MSI lightning.

If you're going for a single card solution, go ASUS.
     
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Originally Posted by Kung Pow View Post
After informing about this subject I can tell you this.

The ASUS has been out longer than the MSI Lightning meaning people had more chances of tweaking and testing it I think that is the main reason why there are more HWBOT scores of the DCII than with the Lightning.

In terms of cooling several reviews like for example TechPowerUp have said the DCII is quieter and better than the Lightning at full load.

In terms of overclocking one would think the Lightning would take the metal because of the 16x phases , better and more VRM´s and 2x8pin connector .

But although lacking those features the ASUS has managed to achieve just as high clocks if not higher which is really surprising to me.

Many speculators say that ASUS is cherry picking their chips in order to provide a better overclock.


So it comes down to your requirements.

If you can fit triple slot and don´t have the best airflow and SLI wishes you should get the ASUS.

If you would like to SLI in the future although SLI is not recommended with a non ref cooling solution since they all exhaust in to the case go with MSI.

MSI theoratically should be the better overclocker and coolingwise it is only very slightly inferior.
I have read that MSI bins their higher level cards, were with ASUS you may get a lower bin card. This worries me. I don't know if this is true, but i'd rather be guaranteed a very good card, as opposed to getting lucky and getting an exceptional card.


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To add more.

If you can afford to sli. You can afford to water cool. If you can affor to water cool, get the MSI lightning.

If you're going for a single card solution, go ASUS.
I really haven't considered water cooling. So I don't think i'll be water cooling in the near future.
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I have read that MSI bins their higher level cards, were with ASUS you may get a lower bin card. This worries me. I don't know if this is true, but i'd rather be guaranteed a very good card, as opposed to getting lucky and getting an exceptional card.




I really haven't considered water cooling. So I don't think i'll be water cooling in the near future.
You should give it some thought.
Function wise, is not difficult to instal or maintain and gives temp results air cooling can only dream about while maintaining perfect silence.
Form wise, there's nothing more beautiful than a proper water cooling setup, a true sign of a powerful build.
     
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Lightning if you want to go crazy. It's set up to handle ln2 speeds
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Lightning if you want to go crazy. It's set up to handle ln2 speeds
Probably could do great on dice. get a $200 pot and some dice from [insert grocery store name here] and have fun.
     
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