Overclock.net › Forums › Graphics Cards › NVIDIA › MSI GTX 580 Lightning vs. EVGA DS Superclocked vs. ASUS ENGTX580 DCII
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

MSI GTX 580 Lightning vs. EVGA DS Superclocked vs. ASUS ENGTX580 DCII - Page 3

post #21 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kreeker View Post
I have read that MSI bins their higher level cards, were with ASUS you may get a lower bin card. This worries me. I don't know if this is true, but i'd rather be guaranteed a very good card, as opposed to getting lucky and getting an exceptional card..

And that is exactly the decision you have to make.

Theoratically the Lightning should be better suited for overclocking due to its superior amount of phases, 2x8pin connector corresopnding to that and better/more VRM´s.
All those features ensure a more stable overclock and to an extent the amount of the oc as well.

I don´t know why so many people are saying the Lightning needs to better water or nitrogen cooled only because it as an LN2 switch and voltage capabilites that can also be operated with LN2?

TWFIII is an exceptional cooler.

I too am making the decision between DCII and Lightning.
And I personally am leaning towards Lightning because it just has more overclocking capability.
Of course that doesn´t mean that it will clock higher because those overclocking enhancing features only determine your oc success by about 40% and the rest by the chip itself but still.
The probability of reaching a good overclock is higher.

With ASUS you have to take the take the silicon chance and depend on the chip alone to ensure you a good overclock.
MSI provides you with additional means that can and will provide a more stable and sometimes higher overclock.
And if you get silicon lucky with MSI then in addition to the voltage capabilities there shouldn´t be a doubt who will win.


The coolers are both on par in my oppinion.
I don´t care if it is 28 or 30db.

Coolingwise they are also very close.

You will have to make this decision based on your requirements.

I for one want good overclocking ...and because MSI provides better means to achieve a good clock I am going for it.

Also my case isn´t very well ventilated and in such cases the TWFIII is more capable of cooling than the DCII.
TWFIII needs exhaust more than intake meaning temps will benefit more from a negative air pressure.

With the DCII that is not the case.
It can only show those great cooling capabilities if it is both supplied with good cool air and at the same time aided by a good exhaust of your case.


My pick is the Lightning

Hope that made your choice easier.
Project Rapture
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 950 @ 4.7 GHZ Gigabyte X58-OC MSI GTX 580 Lightning @ 1GHZ 12 GB Kingston Hyper X @ 2200 MHZ 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
SSD Corsair F40 DVD,DVR,Blue Ray Windows 7 Ultimae 64 bit Sony Bravia Full HD 42" 
PowerCaseMouse
Revolution +85 1050 Watt Little Devil V8 White Crysis Edition Microsoft 
  hide details  
Reply
Project Rapture
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 950 @ 4.7 GHZ Gigabyte X58-OC MSI GTX 580 Lightning @ 1GHZ 12 GB Kingston Hyper X @ 2200 MHZ 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
SSD Corsair F40 DVD,DVR,Blue Ray Windows 7 Ultimae 64 bit Sony Bravia Full HD 42" 
PowerCaseMouse
Revolution +85 1050 Watt Little Devil V8 White Crysis Edition Microsoft 
  hide details  
Reply
post #22 of 49
I think based on you saying that you want to be guaranteed a good overclock I would go with the Lightning, because MSIAlex has said that MSI does bin their higher tier cards of which the Lightning certainly is. I have not seen it confirmed that Asus does bin their DCII cards and based on my little experience with them they appear not to, this is also backed up by the fact that Asus is currently only selling their DCII 570 and 580s, so there is really only one bin. MSI has Lightning, then if it doesn't pass lightning bin then it goes to TFII, if not there then reference OC, if not there then just reference. In my experience I can honestly only say the Asus is hands definitely superior in terms of noise and even there it isn't a large margin and will likely not be important to you as the HAF X isn't exactly designed to be quiet.

EDIT: To clear up so misconceptions I am seeing the Asus DCII does use dual 8 pin same as the Lightning, the Asus also uses higher quality VRMs and more of them (compared to reference) same as the Lighting (though the Lighting does have more power phases). Also Kung Pow, what makes you think that intake and exhaust are important for one internal exhaust design cooler but not the other? I can also say that I prefer the DCII cooler in every regard except for the fact that the MSI uses powder wicked heatpipes whereas I believe the DCII uses groove wicked heatpipes but that won't make a difference to you in the HAF X, other than that the core temperatures are very similar between the two, but the DCII is slightly quieter. I also believe that the VRM cooling on the DCII may be a little stronger than the Lightning, but then the Lightnign has VRAM contact cooling and the DCII does not. Like I mentioned earlier the differences in the cooler abilities are not massive but they are still a win for the DCII IMO.
Edited by juano - 5/29/11 at 1:53am
Main Rig
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 2700k ASUS P8P67 WS Revolution EVGA 980 Ti SC+ Samsung 4x4GB DDR3 1866MHz 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung 850 Evo 1TB Samsung Spinpoint F4 2TB Samsung BD Combo Noctua NH-D14 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Windows 10 64 bit Asus PG279Q Kingwin Lazer Platinum 1000W Silverstone Raven RV03 
  hide details  
Reply
Main Rig
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 2700k ASUS P8P67 WS Revolution EVGA 980 Ti SC+ Samsung 4x4GB DDR3 1866MHz 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung 850 Evo 1TB Samsung Spinpoint F4 2TB Samsung BD Combo Noctua NH-D14 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Windows 10 64 bit Asus PG279Q Kingwin Lazer Platinum 1000W Silverstone Raven RV03 
  hide details  
Reply
post #23 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by juano View Post
I think based on you saying that you want to be guaranteed a good overclock I would go with the Lightning, because MSIAlex has said that MSI does bin their higher tier cards of which the Lightning certainly is. I have not seen it confirmed that Asus does bin their DCII cards and based on my little experience with them they appear not to, this is also backed up by the fact that Asus is currently only selling their DCII 570 and 580s, so there is really only one bin. MSI has Lightning, then if it doesn't pass lightning bin then it goes to TFII, if not there then reference OC, if not there then just reference. In my experience I can honestly only say the Asus is hands definitely superior in terms of noise and even there it isn't a large margin and will likely not be important to you as the HAF X isn't exactly designed to be quiet.
Ok let us divide the conditions.


1.)Overclocking

In terms of overclocking the MSI GTX 580 Lightning is superior to the DCII due to 16xphases,2x8pin connectors for higher power delivery,more and better VRM´s and the higher binning.
All that of course only contributes to the overclock and only determines the success and amount by about 40% meaning the majority of it is still decided by the chip BUT MSI provides better means to deliver a high clock.

MSI vs. ASUS=> 1:0



2.)Noiselevel

Some reviews have shown the DCII to be a little bit more silent.
To be precise about 2db...that is completely irrelevant in my oppinion because a sound monitoring device might be able to tell the difference but the human ear certainly won´t
But still from a competetive point of view.

MSI vs. ASUS => 1:1


3.)Cooling

In terms of cooling ability according to reviews and tests both coolers are on par.
Sometimes the DCII wins by some degrees and reverse.
But there is one big advantage of the MSI.
The TWFIII only requires good exhaust capabilities of a case meaning...the cooler will perform great with negative pressure and does not necessarily need good intake capabilities.
Of course it needs minimal intake to be able to perform good but its preference is rather to have the hot air exhausted and still perform close to being supplied with cool air and having all the heat exhausted.

That is not the case with the DCII ...it needs both good intake and outtake case capability in order to perform as shown in the reviews.
So people with a bad airflow case like me should reconsider the MSI.

And due to that fact it is

MSI vs ASUS => 2:1

In my oppinion!
Project Rapture
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 950 @ 4.7 GHZ Gigabyte X58-OC MSI GTX 580 Lightning @ 1GHZ 12 GB Kingston Hyper X @ 2200 MHZ 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
SSD Corsair F40 DVD,DVR,Blue Ray Windows 7 Ultimae 64 bit Sony Bravia Full HD 42" 
PowerCaseMouse
Revolution +85 1050 Watt Little Devil V8 White Crysis Edition Microsoft 
  hide details  
Reply
Project Rapture
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 950 @ 4.7 GHZ Gigabyte X58-OC MSI GTX 580 Lightning @ 1GHZ 12 GB Kingston Hyper X @ 2200 MHZ 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
SSD Corsair F40 DVD,DVR,Blue Ray Windows 7 Ultimae 64 bit Sony Bravia Full HD 42" 
PowerCaseMouse
Revolution +85 1050 Watt Little Devil V8 White Crysis Edition Microsoft 
  hide details  
Reply
post #24 of 49
Please read my edit (I'm sure you were typing as I was) specifically that the Asus does have dual 8 pin power, and I really don't understand why you think that one internal exhaust design cooler will need good intake and exhaust but the other will not. Also your reply had very little to do with my post.
Main Rig
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 2700k ASUS P8P67 WS Revolution EVGA 980 Ti SC+ Samsung 4x4GB DDR3 1866MHz 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung 850 Evo 1TB Samsung Spinpoint F4 2TB Samsung BD Combo Noctua NH-D14 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Windows 10 64 bit Asus PG279Q Kingwin Lazer Platinum 1000W Silverstone Raven RV03 
  hide details  
Reply
Main Rig
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 2700k ASUS P8P67 WS Revolution EVGA 980 Ti SC+ Samsung 4x4GB DDR3 1866MHz 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung 850 Evo 1TB Samsung Spinpoint F4 2TB Samsung BD Combo Noctua NH-D14 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Windows 10 64 bit Asus PG279Q Kingwin Lazer Platinum 1000W Silverstone Raven RV03 
  hide details  
Reply
post #25 of 49

Here you can see/hear all the structural improvments and modifications of the Lightning the DCII just does not have.

Project Rapture
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 950 @ 4.7 GHZ Gigabyte X58-OC MSI GTX 580 Lightning @ 1GHZ 12 GB Kingston Hyper X @ 2200 MHZ 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
SSD Corsair F40 DVD,DVR,Blue Ray Windows 7 Ultimae 64 bit Sony Bravia Full HD 42" 
PowerCaseMouse
Revolution +85 1050 Watt Little Devil V8 White Crysis Edition Microsoft 
  hide details  
Reply
Project Rapture
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 950 @ 4.7 GHZ Gigabyte X58-OC MSI GTX 580 Lightning @ 1GHZ 12 GB Kingston Hyper X @ 2200 MHZ 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
SSD Corsair F40 DVD,DVR,Blue Ray Windows 7 Ultimae 64 bit Sony Bravia Full HD 42" 
PowerCaseMouse
Revolution +85 1050 Watt Little Devil V8 White Crysis Edition Microsoft 
  hide details  
Reply
post #26 of 49
If your not into benchmarking then why are you worried about overclocking? If your using it for gaming then any gtx580 (even reference) is going to max out pretty much any game you can throw at it when running at 1080p. If you plan on going large resolution then an overclock might be necessary but at that point you might as well just sli and enjoy your games. I say evga, they run cool (even overclocked ref cooling) and contrary to what alot of people say about cherry picking/lower binning of their chips, evga gets the picks of the litter so to say when it comes to gpus from nvidia. I guess thats what happens when your r&d department helps design the chipset that nvidia sells.... Just some food for thought. Any of the 3 you listed is going to do everything you could ever ask it to and then so. Good luck.
Nasty Girl
(17 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
I5-760  Evga P55 FTW200 2 x Evga GTX 570 SC GSkill Eco 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Gkill Phoenix Pro SSD Samsung Spinpoint F3 LG Super-multi BDROM Cooler Master V8 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
3 Enermax Magmas + Scythe Kaze Master Controller Windows 7 Professional LG Flatron 2241 LED 22" Razer BWU 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair HX750 Antec Sonata Solo ||  Razer Deathadder Mionix Propus 360 
Audio
Creative X-Fi Titanium 
  hide details  
Reply
Nasty Girl
(17 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
I5-760  Evga P55 FTW200 2 x Evga GTX 570 SC GSkill Eco 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Gkill Phoenix Pro SSD Samsung Spinpoint F3 LG Super-multi BDROM Cooler Master V8 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
3 Enermax Magmas + Scythe Kaze Master Controller Windows 7 Professional LG Flatron 2241 LED 22" Razer BWU 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair HX750 Antec Sonata Solo ||  Razer Deathadder Mionix Propus 360 
Audio
Creative X-Fi Titanium 
  hide details  
Reply
post #27 of 49
KungPow, I don't think you read either of my posts.

Quote:
Originally Posted by juano View Post
Please read my edit (I'm sure you were typing as I was) specifically that the Asus does have dual 8 pin power, and I really don't understand why you think that one internal exhaust design cooler will need good intake and exhaust but the other will not. Also your reply had very little to do with my post.
Main Rig
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 2700k ASUS P8P67 WS Revolution EVGA 980 Ti SC+ Samsung 4x4GB DDR3 1866MHz 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung 850 Evo 1TB Samsung Spinpoint F4 2TB Samsung BD Combo Noctua NH-D14 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Windows 10 64 bit Asus PG279Q Kingwin Lazer Platinum 1000W Silverstone Raven RV03 
  hide details  
Reply
Main Rig
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 2700k ASUS P8P67 WS Revolution EVGA 980 Ti SC+ Samsung 4x4GB DDR3 1866MHz 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung 850 Evo 1TB Samsung Spinpoint F4 2TB Samsung BD Combo Noctua NH-D14 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Windows 10 64 bit Asus PG279Q Kingwin Lazer Platinum 1000W Silverstone Raven RV03 
  hide details  
Reply
post #28 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by juano View Post
KungPow, I don't think you read either of my posts.
That is why I posted the video?

The TWFIII has a special design with larger conductivity areas and better density.

It enables it to also cool efficiently if not induced with high amounts of cool air but rather just moving the hot air away.
Project Rapture
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 950 @ 4.7 GHZ Gigabyte X58-OC MSI GTX 580 Lightning @ 1GHZ 12 GB Kingston Hyper X @ 2200 MHZ 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
SSD Corsair F40 DVD,DVR,Blue Ray Windows 7 Ultimae 64 bit Sony Bravia Full HD 42" 
PowerCaseMouse
Revolution +85 1050 Watt Little Devil V8 White Crysis Edition Microsoft 
  hide details  
Reply
Project Rapture
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 950 @ 4.7 GHZ Gigabyte X58-OC MSI GTX 580 Lightning @ 1GHZ 12 GB Kingston Hyper X @ 2200 MHZ 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
SSD Corsair F40 DVD,DVR,Blue Ray Windows 7 Ultimae 64 bit Sony Bravia Full HD 42" 
PowerCaseMouse
Revolution +85 1050 Watt Little Devil V8 White Crysis Edition Microsoft 
  hide details  
Reply
post #29 of 49
Right... I don't know where you're getting that from that video but whatever.

To the OP from someone who has seen all the reviews/videos as well as actually owned both the coolers, the DCII is a better and quieter cooler like I mentioned, but the difference is not enough to make me choose it over the binned chip and higher factory OC in the Lightning. Based on what you said about having the best chance of a good OC and the fact that your case selection (HAFX) is already not the quietest I would recommend the Lightning for your needs/wants.
Main Rig
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 2700k ASUS P8P67 WS Revolution EVGA 980 Ti SC+ Samsung 4x4GB DDR3 1866MHz 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung 850 Evo 1TB Samsung Spinpoint F4 2TB Samsung BD Combo Noctua NH-D14 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Windows 10 64 bit Asus PG279Q Kingwin Lazer Platinum 1000W Silverstone Raven RV03 
  hide details  
Reply
Main Rig
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 2700k ASUS P8P67 WS Revolution EVGA 980 Ti SC+ Samsung 4x4GB DDR3 1866MHz 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung 850 Evo 1TB Samsung Spinpoint F4 2TB Samsung BD Combo Noctua NH-D14 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Windows 10 64 bit Asus PG279Q Kingwin Lazer Platinum 1000W Silverstone Raven RV03 
  hide details  
Reply
post #30 of 49

Overclocking & Features:


Features and Detalis:


OP the Lightning is your choice!
It is the better card.

Hope I could help
Project Rapture
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 950 @ 4.7 GHZ Gigabyte X58-OC MSI GTX 580 Lightning @ 1GHZ 12 GB Kingston Hyper X @ 2200 MHZ 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
SSD Corsair F40 DVD,DVR,Blue Ray Windows 7 Ultimae 64 bit Sony Bravia Full HD 42" 
PowerCaseMouse
Revolution +85 1050 Watt Little Devil V8 White Crysis Edition Microsoft 
  hide details  
Reply
Project Rapture
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 950 @ 4.7 GHZ Gigabyte X58-OC MSI GTX 580 Lightning @ 1GHZ 12 GB Kingston Hyper X @ 2200 MHZ 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
SSD Corsair F40 DVD,DVR,Blue Ray Windows 7 Ultimae 64 bit Sony Bravia Full HD 42" 
PowerCaseMouse
Revolution +85 1050 Watt Little Devil V8 White Crysis Edition Microsoft 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: NVIDIA
Overclock.net › Forums › Graphics Cards › NVIDIA › MSI GTX 580 Lightning vs. EVGA DS Superclocked vs. ASUS ENGTX580 DCII