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Vertex 3 Max IOPS 120GB or Corsair Force 3 120GB?

Poll Results: Vertex 3 Max IOPS or Force 3?

 
  • 48% (23)
    Vertex 3
  • 51% (24)
    Force 3
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post #1 of 23
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Vertex 3 Max IOPS 120GB or Corsair Force 3 120GB? Which one, there are tons of reviews for the Vertex 3 but none so far for the Force 3 but specs wise it looks pretty good. Opinions?

Vertex 3:


Max Read: upto 550 MB/s (SATA 6Gbps)
Max Write: upto 500 MB/s (SATA 6Gbps)

4KB Random Read: 35,000 IOPS
4KB Random Write: 75,000 IOPS

Force 3:

Sequential Access - Read:
Up to 550 MB/s

Sequential Access - Write:
Up to 510 MB/s

Random Write 4K: 85,000 IOPS (Aligned)
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post #2 of 23
My take: pick the cheapest. They're the same controller, probably similar if not identical IMFT flash, so there's nothing to separate them but price.
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post #3 of 23
I'll be blunt, I only selected Corsair because I have a lot more faith in Corsair's customer service and RMA policies than OCZ.
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post #4 of 23
The cautious side of me says to wait a bit if you can for some reviews/feedback on the Force 3 before making a decision. It should perform pretty much the same as the V3 but you never know.

If you don't wanna wait I'd vote for the Force 3 since it's more than likely gonna give you the same kind of performance at a lesser price. Corsair also seems to have a better reputation as far as reliability and customer service are concerned.

EDIT: belgh, I can't type today.
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post #5 of 23
Well I hope you haven't made a decision yet. The ****ty shoot-from-the-hip-advice you're getting is pretty incorrect.

Firstly. They DO NOT use the same NAND. The Corsair Force 3 uses cheap 25nm asynchronous NAND, while the MAX IOPS uses Toshiba 32nm Toggle NAND, which is MUCH faster. This is especially true if you're not getting the biggest (240GB) model.

As I hope you know SSD's are generally faster the bigger they are. This is because the controller can write to multiple NAND blocks at the same time. The less NAND the more the speed of the NAND becomes an issue.

The regular Vertex 3 uses synchronous 25nm NAND, and the 120GB version is half as fast as the 240GB version with incompressible data when writing. Because the Max IOPS uses faster NAND it's practically as fast as the regular 240GB version, but at 120GB capacity.

Now because the Corsair Force 3 uses asynchronous NAND it's going to be even slower than the regular Vertex 3 at 120GB.

While there aren't any reviews out on the Corsair Force 3 it's basically the same drive as the OCZ Agility 3, which also uses asynchronous NAND, and it's definitely slower than the regular Vertex 3, even at 240GB. So it'll be MUCH slower than a MAX IOPS at 120GB.

If you call Corsair, they will tell you the same. They will be releasing a Force GT version later which will probably be more like the regular Vertex 3, since it will use different NAND.
post #6 of 23
Death. can I ask where did you get this information? Not that I don't believe you, I was thinking something along the same lines as the Force 3 is much cheaper.

If the Force 3 really is even slower than a regular 120GB V3, let alone the MaxIOPS version, I will just Ebay them as I already have them inbound. I ordered them because my 120GB V3 MaxIOPS drives are ruined with the 2.06 firmware.
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post #7 of 23
Links to reviews of:

Regular Vertex 3 at 240GB (basically a MAX IOPS at 120GB:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4316/o...3-240gb-review
Regular Vertex 3 at 120GB (synchronous NAND) = Faster than the Corsair Force 3:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4256/t...3-review-120gb
Agility 3 at 240GB (Approximately the same as a Corsair Force at 240GB) = Still significantly faster than a Corsair Force at 120GB:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4346/o...3-240gb-review

Here is the spec sheet of the Vertex 3 MAX IOPS: http://www.ocztechnology.com/res/man...duct_sheet.pdf
And here is the spec sheet of the Agility 3: http://www.ocztechnology.com/res/man...duct_sheet.pdf

Please notice the read/write speeds with AS-SSD (which uses incompressible data) on the 120GB version for both drives... I'll just put them here for good measure:

Agility 3:
SequentialRead AS-SSD: 195 MB/s
SequentialWrite AS-SSD: 130 MB/s
4K Random Read AS-SSD: 23,000 (90 MB/s)
4K Random Write AS-SSD: 23,000 (90 MB/s)

MAX IOPS:

SequentialRead AS-SSD: 500 MB/s
SequentialWrit eAS-SSD: 230 MB/s
4K Random Read AS-SSD: 47,000 IOPS (185 MB/s)
4K Random WriteAS-SSD: 47,000 IOPS (185 MB/s)

Now I know the Agility 3 has a different firmware from the Corsair Force 3, but it uses the same controller and the same NAND, so while it may be a bit faster it's not going to be much. Unfortunately Corsair doesn't supply us with good test data. The 85,000 IOPS is achievable on a regular Vertex 3 as well with the same setting, which they DID supply at least.

Well I hope I've given you something to think about. I recommend you read the reviews from Anandtech, since he's basically the go-to guy for SSD reviews, and really knows his stuff.

The question of real world performance is also relevant. Windows doesn't rely on incompressible data only, so you might not feel that the Corsair is slower than the MAX IOPS, since both drives are FAST, period.

So you're probably going to be happy with either as a system drive, but they are definitely not the same drive, and if you do some video/audio/photo editing the MAX IOPS will leave the Force 3 in the dust.
Edited by DeathOfNames - 5/30/11 at 6:55pm
post #8 of 23
@CallsignVega: The info i just wrote should help explain the issue. In this
link you can see that Corsair states that the Force 3 uses asynchronous NAND.

Sorry to hear about the firmware issue. Hope you've availed yourself of the excellent support forum they have.
Edited by DeathOfNames - 5/30/11 at 7:04pm
post #9 of 23

Vertex 3 MAX IOPS 120GB review on YouTube


As you can see it's pretty close to the regular Vertex 3 at 240GB here
post #10 of 23
But let me say it again. The Corsair Force 3 is a fast drive, but it's cheaper for a reason. The Force GT will be like the Vertex 3 or maybe even the MAX IOPS, depending on the NAND they use. So it stands to reason that the Force 3 will be like the Agility 3.

Will you feel it in the real world? Well if you come from a regular HD, then any modern SSD will feel awesome. The rest is just inches really.

I've ordered two MAX IOPS 120GB drives that I'll raid on a P67 motherboard. Now that's fast, and likely overkill even though i do some minor photo and video editing, but I'm a SSD convert ever since i stuck a Vertex 2 in my 3 year old laptop and realized it was way faster than my more powerful desktop PC.
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