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Hello everyone, please be friendly.

I have set a side a fair bit of money to finally go through with watercooling. As it stands right now I want about the most silent watercooling setup I can get with less focus on performance. The order for me is "silence > performance > price".

I have a few questions before I finish up my parts list and order.

1. Should I be avoiding EK nickel blocks? I have read they are flaking.

2. I am selling my 5870 and getting a GTX 580. Should I get a hyrdocopper 2 pre-installed or go reference card + EK block full cover + backplate?

3. What size tubing if I am using barbs? Don't want to spend big money on compressions when not using a windowed case.

4. Is the aquastream XT the quietest pump out there?

5. Is a 240 + 120 rad going to be enough radiator space for cooling a gtx 580 and i7 CPU with an aquastream XT pump? (not planning on OC'ing, just want lower temps with super low speed fans)

6. Gentle typhoon AP-14's on a controller in push pull for each radiator enough? (6 fans)

7. Which barbs should I get and what size ID tubing is best? 3/8? 1/2? I will be using clamps so not worried about doing the 7/16 over 1/2 trick. 2nd part, what size OD as well? Keep in mind I am going to use a mid-tower so tight bends might be necessary.

That is all I can think of for right now and I'm sure I will get a bunch more questions as I read through advice. Below is a picture of the new case I will be using most likely. The 3.5" rack will be removed and has 11.75" from 5.25" bays to the bottom. That should fit a RX240 rad and a RX120 in the exhaust fan spot.

The case is a Lian Li PC-9F that I am considering.



Thanks in advance!
Edited by Strobe - 5/29/11 at 12:46pm
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1. I own several EK Nickel coated blocks and i've never had a problem [loop has been going non-stop on a server for over 2 years now].
2. Aww, I love my 5870, but if you go through with the sell, the Full Body WC Block is the way to go, imho.
3. Other way around, the size of the barb depends on size of the tubing you plan on using.
4. I have no experience with that system, but i'm sure someone on OCN does.
5. Sure, just make sure you have the proper loop order and a powerful enough pump.
6. Sounds lovely.
7. I prefer the 1/2, but it comes down to preference. If you run into tight bend spots, use some anti-kink coils or use barbs that come out at angles [i.e. 45 degrees]. They really make a difference. Planning out your loop ahead of building it is the way to go.

Good luck and have fun with your build.
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1- as of right now i would't touch any Nickel plated EK block with 6' pole
2- hyrdocopper 2 is restrictive but will give you best temps ,quality wise i would prefer
aquagraFX for GTX 580 (just a bit less restrictive then hyrdocopper) or Koolance VID-NX580,both come in nickel plated variant and no flaking ,HEATKILLER® GPU-X³ GTX580/570 is great block,it's all about esthetic's at the end
3- 7/16 ID~5/8 OD for barbs is great (clamp or no clamp)
4- you want quite/reliable pump get D5 ( PMP-450)+COV-RP450
5- 240 + 120 just about right but barely ,if you won't OC to much ..yes (look in to HWL SR1 series RAD's,quality is A1-see if you can fit 280+140) ,slim design and just as good performance as XSPC
6- yes
7- 1/2 and as for kinks.. already mention in 3

good luck
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1. I own several EK Nickel coated blocks and i've never had a problem [loop has been going non-stop on a server for over 2 years now].
2. Aww, I love my 5870, but if you go through with the sell, the Full Body WC Block is the way to go, imho.
3. Other way around, the size of the barb depends on size of the tubing you plan on using.
4. I have no experience with that system, but i'm sure someone on OCN does.
5. Sure, just make sure you have the proper loop order and a powerful enough pump.
6. Sounds lovely.
7. I prefer the 1/2, but it comes down to preference. If you run into tight bend spots, use some anti-kink coils or use barbs that come out at angles [i.e. 45 degrees]. They really make a difference. Planning out your loop ahead of building it is the way to go.

Good luck and have fun with your build.
Didn't think about angled barbs, that might be a really good idea to relieve some stress.


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1- as of right now i would't touch any Nickel plated EK block with 6' pole
2- hyrdocopper 2 is restrictive but will give you best temps ,quality wise i would prefer
aquagraFX for GTX 580 (just a bit less restrictive then hyrdocopper) or Koolance VID-NX580,both come in nickel plated variant and no flaking ,HEATKILLER® GPU-X³ GTX580/570 is great block,it's all about esthetic's at the end
3- 7/16 ID~5/8 OD for barbs is great (clamp or no clamp)
4- you want quite/reliable pump get D5 ( PMP-450)+COV-RP450
5- 240 + 120 just about right but barely ,if you won't OC to much ..yes (look in to HWL SR1 series RAD's,quality is A1-see if you can fit 280+140) ,slim design and just as good performance as XSPC
6- yes
7- 1/2 and as for kinks.. already mention in 3

good luck
Thanks for the alternative suggestions on GPU blocks considering I really am unsure which to get. I assume I would want the least restrictive if I plan on using a quiet pump which will have less pressure. For the D5, I have heard too many silencers say even with tops it still isn't as quiet as an aquasteam XT.

As for the 280 rad, there is like 0 chance. There is barely any clearance for a 240 to stick into the front vertically.

Any recommendations as to which CPU block I should use? Aesthetics on any of these parts is absolute last choice. I won't have a window and don't care what it looks like at all, just want silence with acceptable performance.
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Problem with aquastream xt is where are you going to find one, I don't see it for sale anywhere.
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Problem with aquastream xt is where are you going to find one, I don't see it for sale anywhere.
I believe I saw them at performance-pcs.
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Didn't think about angled barbs, that might be a really good idea to relieve some stress.




Thanks for the alternative suggestions on GPU blocks considering I really am unsure which to get. I assume I would want the least restrictive if I plan on using a quiet pump which will have less pressure. For the D5, I have heard too many silencers say even with tops it still isn't as quiet as an aquasteam XT.

As for the 280 rad, there is like 0 chance. There is barely any clearance for a 240 to stick into the front vertically.

Any recommendations as to which CPU block I should use? Aesthetics on any of these parts is absolute last choice. I won't have a window and don't care what it looks like at all, just want silence with acceptable performance.
if you plan on single CPU/GPU and even CF/SLI solution one D5 would do just fine ,as for CPU blocks ..CPU-370 or Aqua Computer Cuplex Kryos HF (thick O-ring) would get my vote
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1) - Rare, Most people have no issues
2) - Minimal difference in performance between the blocks, so get whatever is cheaper, If you go reference +block. keep the stock cooler incase you ever have to RMA it
3) 1/2" is what alot of people use, its the largest hose size, it is argued that they can decreased temps due to increased flow? I think larger tubes are easier to bend aswell.
- i would actually reccomend compression fittings as they are so much easier, and there is a reduced risk of leaks.
4) It might be the quietest pump out there, but there are MANY other pumps, that are so quiet, that they are rarely louder than your PSU fan. It is very hard to get the pump as the loudest thing in your system
5) Yes, I have a standard 360 ( similar to your 120+240) and it cools a 2500k@5.0ghz and a hot GTX480 overclocked all just fine.
6) perfect, might want a fan controller, not sure though
7) - all of the hose sizes confuse me! i just get 1/2" on 1/2" and use some good clamps
8) the case- would be a tightish fit, take a look at soundproofed cases aswell
Cpu blocks- i tend to get the cheapest

just saw that your radiators are RX's, thats some pretty high performance, should be fine in the temps department

hope some of that helps
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1) - Rare, Most people have no issues
2) - Minimal difference in performance between the blocks, so get whatever is cheaper, If you go reference +block. keep the stock cooler incase you ever have to RMA it
3) 1/2" is what alot of people use, its the largest hose size, it is argued that they can decreased temps due to increased flow? I think larger tubes are easier to bend aswell.
- i would actually reccomend compression fittings as they are so much easier, and there is a reduced risk of leaks.
4) It might be the quietest pump out there, but there are MANY other pumps, that are so quiet, that they are rarely louder than your PSU fan. It is very hard to get the pump as the loudest thing in your system
5) Yes, I have a standard 360 ( similar to your 120+240) and it cools a 2500k@5.0ghz and a hot GTX480 overclocked all just fine.
6) perfect, might want a fan controller, not sure though
7) - all of the hose sizes confuse me! i just get 1/2" on 1/2" and use some good clamps
8) the case- would be a tightish fit, take a look at soundproofed cases aswell
Cpu blocks- i tend to get the cheapest

just saw that your radiators are RX's, thats some pretty high performance, should be fine in the temps department

hope some of that helps
The pump will be my loudest part I think. I'm used to 600rpm fans being the loudest thing in my rig now. The power supply I have runs passive until load usually.

I will also being using acoustipack all over the interior.

I don't own the radiators yet, just read that rx ones are best for low speed fans. And budget is of least concern to me.
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Ok, I tried to formulate a cart to get some idea where this is going. This is not what I have ordered, but what a noob is looking at. So if I have completely forgot something or went crazy please let me know. I put a few extra fittings/clamps just to have extras in case of leaks.

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