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Integrated graphics offerings from Intel litter the PC market and are the reason why the company is still the number one provider of graphics controllers in the industry. When DailyTech last reported on the status of the graphics industry, Intel was leading the way with 37.5% of the market. The next closest was ATI with 26.5% and NVIDIA followed with 18.7%. "Integrated graphics cannot compete with the console gaming experience. If you're going to be out there creating these great next-generation games that kick ass and look wonderful, and help to sell these next-gen systems, you're screwed if your customers have Intel integrated graphics," said Rein at the at the Develop conference.

Rein feels that Intel’s large size and power in the industry has stifled game development on the PC side and hinders developers in making PC games comparable to their console brethren. He also states that Intel preys on the ignorance of consumers to the importance of graphics horsepower with today’s game titles. “For example, a game like Gears of War - there's just no way we can make that run. We can dumb it down to run on a lower-end 7-series or 6-series NVIDIA GPU; we can dumb it down to run on an ATI X1300, something of that nature - but it just will not scale down to Intel integrated graphics. It's just not possible,†continued Rein.
Pretty much, the guy is saying that it is all Intel's fault that Dell sells their PCs with integrated graphics. He then says that nowon buys PC games, because they can't compete with console games. Some how it is Intels fault because they have a crappy product (which is true). But, there is no real affordable alternative for the low to mid end PC.

http://dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=3320
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A low-mid range card from $75-100 can play most games jsut fine. The HIS x1600pro is $101 (at newegg) , and it can handle most any game out there just fine. Don't see why theres a giant dependence on inter-crap graphics.

But as the first one to make a comment on that page said, if your buying integrated graphics then your not buying the machine for the purpose of gaming. Imho, you should know what kind of hardware your working with before you buy, and secondly, not buy from dell
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He's saying its Intel's fault for having crap onboard. Compared to ATI and NVidia's offerngs Intel has nothing on them, but Intel practically pushes the Intel extreme integrated crap like its the best, thus dragging it down..

Edit: PwnJohnson, thats only if you know what your doing. Most people dont because they dont really care that much, but when their games run sluggish, what do you tell em? Go buy a new graphics card because you need one, so they go out and buy something that should have been unnecessary in the first place if buying a pre-built. Its because of Intel's hold on the integrated market, ATI and Nvidia's offerings are alot better, but they dont get out as much as Intel.
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They're big enough to do that, which is the problem.
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A low-mid range card from $75-100 can play most games jsut fine. The HIS x1600pro is $101 (at newegg) , and it can handle most any game out there just fine. Don't see why theres a giant dependence on inter-crap graphics.

But as the first one to make a comment on that page said, if your buying integrated graphics then your not buying the machine for the purpose of gaming. Imho, you should know what kind of hardware your working with before you buy, and secondly, not buy from dell
And you low-mid range computer is only $300 to $500 dollars, making a $100 GFX card any where from 20 to 33% increase in price.

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He's saying its Intel's fault for having crap onboard. Compared to ATI and NVidia's offerngs Intel has nothing on them, but Intel practically pushes the Intel extreme integrated crap like its the best, thus dragging it down..

Edit: PwnJohnson, thats only if you know what your doing. Most people dont because they dont really care that much, but when their games run sluggish, what do you tell em? Go buy a new graphics card because you need one, so they go out and buy something that should have been unnecessary in the first place if buying a pre-built. Its because of Intel's hold on the integrated market, ATI and Nvidia's offerings are alot better, but they dont get out as much as Intel.
Ok... I realize that. But how is it Intel's fault that Dell is buying, and selling, their products? Dell should be the one to blame for not provided Nvidia and ATI graphics solutions.
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Dell does offer those things, it's just that they only offer them in the higher priced gaming pc's they try to sell.

Really it comes down to the buyer, if you're an avid pc gamer you should at the very least keep up with what's going on with the new technology. Or just have some deep pockets and have someone else keep up with it and build you overpriced rigs.

The article fails to mention though, that not all of the PC market is geared towards gaming, there is no sense in putting a x1600 in a business machine that'll only be used for memo's and reports. It makes alot more sense (and saves alot more money) to use integrated graphics on those.
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Regardless of what Intel makes, I think it is impossible to compete with the performance of the Xbox 360 or PS3 at their prices $250-$400.
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PS3 is gonna be more than 400....and the 360 is not $250

it is both intels and dells fault. intel is the biggest chip manufacturer...and they brainwash half the public into using integrated....so since they have so much influence they should use that influence to encourage ppl to get better graphics, maybe they can make graphics cards
    
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PS3 is gonna be more than 400....and the 360 is not $250

it is both intels and dells fault. intel is the biggest chip manufacturer...and they brainwash half the public into using integrated....so since they have so much influence they should use that influence to encourage ppl to get better graphics, maybe they can make graphics cards
Regardless of their price. You can't build or buy a PC that can match them for the same price.
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Because they are sold at a loss. If PC parts were sold for a loss like they are on the PS3/Xbox360 then you could build an equivalent computer, but they dont. And Pauldovi, if you've kept up with AMDs lawsuits against Intel you would know exactly why they dont sell boards with integrated graphics from ATI/Nvidia.
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