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I'm not saying it's true. I'm saying that if it were true, according to the original source it's a Quad-Core CPU but CPU-Z identifies it as being four separate processors instead of a single processor with four cores. The source in the original thread is even less credible than the original one because they failed to read and deduced info from ignorance regarding the original source.
Last reply Axel: I can't read the original source, can you? So I assumed the other source was able to translate. That a logical assumption is it not? And based on what was said in the english article, my explanation made sense. You simply came in and said I didn't read the source and its listed as a Quad. I agree its listed as a quad but stated that meant nothing and talked about Thuban (6 cores shut off others to run less at higher clocks). I explain my thoughts and ask you to provide info, you post a pic that shows a single core and single thread with 4 CPU's in a drop box, this again proves nothing at all. Is CPU-Z updated to read APU's properly yet? I dunno. I explained your Pic proves nothing. Then you rant about since there is a dropbox with 4 CPU's that there are 4 cores actively working, this cannot be logically confirmed by the pic, or any info available yet.

Had you simply stated from the beginning that the english source was wrong and provided a translation (assuming you can read that as you are talking about what it says). I would have simply agreed that neither of us have a real idea of whats going on. But again, based on the english article, what I said made sense. And you just kept saying its listed as a quad so its running 4 cores.

In closing, we're both wrong. We don't know theres 4 active cores, 3, 2 or even 1. I based my info off what the english article said, you based yours off the fact that a quad core has 4 cores. But again, Thuban has 6 but can shut down unused cores to free up TDP headroom to clock less cores higher. But just cause its a 6 core, doesn't mean it has 6 cores active 100% of the time, period.

There, thats about as in the middle I can be. Lets leave it at that.
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Wow a screen shot showing multiple CPU's in a drop down menu. Care to provide proof that those other cores are running anything or working? According to the article, they shut off the cores, and since there is no screenshot showing what all 4 drop down CPU's are showing in CPU-Z, your post is meaningless. Well, actually, it supports my opinion more than yours right now. Thanks!
In the first post with the provided screenshots, you can see that the dropdown box is selectable which means their is in fact more than one core enabled. The box is always greyed out when their is only one selection.

Typical greyed out selection:



Original Post:



What does this mean? It means for a fact that their are a minimum or 2 cores enabled; it also means 4 cores could be enabled.

Does it make a difference either way? No. It is because more cores does not necessarily mean that a processor needs a higher voltage. Have you ever compared the voltages of chips with a different amount of cores in the same CPU series? The voltage is always similar.

Look here, a C2 Revision single core Sempron 140 (cut down Phenom II chip) running at a stock 1.344v.



Now look at this, a C2 Revision Phenom II 955 using the stock voltage: 1.320v.



See, the voltage is not relevant to the number of cores that a processor has.
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The chips used included an A8-3850 and A6-3600. Both are Quad Core variants however to achieve the 4Ghz speed, the chips were reduced to only One functional core.

Clearly it's Bright as the sun.

Take my X6 and reduce it to a single core proc. Exactly what they are stating they did to the chips they used to achieve 4ghz @ stock voltage.
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In the first post with the provided screenshots, you can see that the dropdown box is selectable which means their is in fact more than one core enabled. The box is always greyed out when their is only one selection.

What does this mean? It means for a fact that their are a minimum or 2 cores enabled; it also means 4 cores could be enabled.
Huh? When a single CPU has more than 1 core/thread, it still has a greyed out CPU box and shows the number of physical cores and threads to the right. So it does not prove there is at least 2 cores running and possibly 4.

Care to explain? Cause that made me

Edit> Coolio, you are correct. I do agree with you based on that quote, but apparently the source of that article said nothing about turning off cores. I can't read the orig. source as I stated, but it seems to me WCCF puts out a lot of garbage info with no evidence at all. We'll have to wait and see I guess.
Edited by Fuell - 5/30/11 at 4:46pm
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Some people aren't looking at the screenshots o.O
Anyways If these do 4Ghz stock with all 4 cores then thats very nice. We'll find out soon enough anyway
    
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post #26 of 32
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In the first post with the provided screenshots, you can see that the dropdown box is selectable which means their is in fact more than one core enabled. The box is always greyed out when their is only one selection.

Typical greyed out selection:



Original Post:



What does this mean? It means for a fact that their are a minimum or 2 cores enabled; it also means 4 cores could be enabled.

Does it make a difference either way? No. It is because more cores does not necessarily mean that a processor needs a higher voltage. Have you ever compared the voltages of chips with a different amount of cores in the same CPU series? The voltage is always similar.

Look here, a C2 Revision single core Sempron 140 (cut down Phenom II chip) running at a stock 1.344v.



Now look at this, a C2 Revision Phenom II 955 using the stock voltage: 1.320v.



See, the voltage is not relevant to the number of cores that a processor has.
It may simply mean that CPU-Z is not updated to recognize AMD's next gen A series APU.
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Huh? When a single CPU has more than 1 core/thread, it still has a greyed out CPU box and shows the number of physical cores and threads to the right. So it does not prove there is at least 2 cores running and possibly 4.

Care to explain? Cause that made me
That is because CPUZ is viewing these Llano chips incorrectly. On the other screenshot that showed 4 processors in the drop down box you said that their was no proof that they were running. The fact that they were even their meant that they were in fact enabled, and not disabled like this news article has led most of the people to believe.

Either way, it is nearly irrelivant. People are thinking it hit 4Ghz because the other cores are disabled. First off; the other cores are not disabled. And second, even if they were disabled that doesn't make such a voltage difference. As I mentioned earlier, the number of cores is irrelevant to the voltage that a CPU runs at.
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Reps? Post?=meaningless.

What I'm saying is your coming off as a know it all.. Seriously every thread I open You've already left your mark.. Either bashing op or not even helping at all.
Right, what? I've helped a lot more people here than you have and I can at least express myself, which means sometimes means correcting people. Now stop being jelly and get back on topic.

If there's a Llano APU that's a Quad-Core that competes with the Core i3 2100 and can be overclocked and can achieve 4.5GHz+, I think it's gonna be a hit for low cost builds.
    
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That is because CPUZ is viewing these Llano chips incorrectly. On the other screenshot that showed 4 processors in the drop down box you said that their was no proof that they were running. The fact that they were even their meant that they were in fact enabled, and not disabled like this news article has led most of the people to believe.
Thats the type of clarification I am looking for. But just to be clear, why would a quad core display as 4 seperate physical CPU's? And if its just a problem with how CPU-Z reporting them, how can we be sure its not keeping the unused cores there in the list?(perhaps if we could see one of the other 3 selected it would show 0 to low clocks indicating a new type of turbo core? Or perhaps they aren't "off" but severely downclocked) These are the types of things I'd like to be clarified further. Any1 have any ideas?
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I'v been reading this thread and all I can think of is this:




Let's face it, speculation is speculation.

The CPU-Z is not the final version with proper support; those screenshots don't have a validation ID, they might as well be fake; we don't know how the CPU actually works, how it is reported to monitoring programs, etc, etc.
 
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