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The 560 Ti is better than the 6870. The 6870 isn't bad though. I'm using it right now, and I heard its extremely well in CF scaling.
For the motherboard, change that to a MsI P67A-G43. Awesome features, less price.
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I would change the OCZ Agility III ($150) to a Crucial M4 ($120). Its cheaper and the M4 is faster. Don't just look at the read/write speeds, its the IOPS 4k random read that important. The M4 is at 40000 IOPS and the Agility 3 is at 12500 IOPS. There is a reason why OCZ saved the best for the vertex 3 MAX IOPS (47000 IOPS) and at such an expensive price.

I would switch the power supply to at least to accomodate SLI or CF for future upgrades. The best way to upgrade GPUs in the future is to simply get a discounted 2nd card for SLI or CF. ie. 2 x 6870 > 6970 and with rebates and such the two 6870s can sometimes be cheaper than one 6970. Also 6870 CF (<$400) is faster than the GTX 580 ($500+), and even in some test within 10-15 fps of the GTX 590 ($750+). After all this research I decided to get a 6870 instead with the option to upgrade for CF at a lower price and get performance better than a $500 card or close to the $750 card in some games.

Based on the CF Asus 6870 in the charts not the HIS 6870 ICE-Q X Turbo in review:

http://www.techspot.com/review/386-his-radeon-6850-6870-iceqx/

Also if you don't plan to do intensive gaming, meaning you probably don't need to OC then why not skip the H60 for now and save some money. When you do find your system is insufficient then during that time you can buy a H60 or even H80/100 then.
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Obviously if this is more of a gaming build you can sacrifice a little bit on somethings and try to get something like a gtx480 for around $250 or less, You will be much happier.
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post #24 of 33
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Originally Posted by iJustin;13705684 
The 560 Ti is better than the 6870. The 6870 isn't bad though. I'm using it right now, and I heard its extremely well in CF scaling.
For the motherboard, change that to a MsI P67A-G43. Awesome features, less price.

I'll probably just let my end budget dictate which card I get. If I can afford it, I'll go for the 560.

As for the MB, I'm very new to this so I wouldn't know where to even start comparing the ASUS and MSI boards. I'll look into it more though - thank you.
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Originally Posted by mcc21;13705772 
I would change the OCZ Agility III ($150) to a Crucial M4 ($120). Its cheaper and the M4 is faster.

This is great info, there seems to be a freezing issue with the M4 though (see reviews), so I'll have to look into that further before going for one.
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I would switch the power supply to at least to accommodate SLI or CF for future upgrades. The best way to upgrade GPUs in the future is to simply get a discounted 2nd card for SLI or CF. ie. 2 x 6870 > 6970 and with rebates and such the two 6870s can sometimes be cheaper than one 6970. Also 6870 CF (<$400) is faster than the GTX 580 ($500+), and even in some test within 10-15 fps of the GTX 590 ($750+). After all this research I decided to get a 6870 instead with the option to upgrade for CF at a lower price and get performance better than a $500 card or close to the $750 card in some games.

Based on the CF Asus 6870 in the charts not the HIS 6870 ICE-Q X Turbo in review:

http://www.techspot.com/review/386-his-radeon-6850-6870-iceqx/

Interesting. I was already considering a different PSU (such as the CM M600) for its low noise properties.
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Originally Posted by mcc21;13705772 
Also if you don't plan to do intensive gaming, meaning you probably don't need to OC then why not skip the H60 for now and save some money. When you do find your system is insufficient then during that time you can buy a H60 or even H80/100 then.

This makes sense, but I'd like to be able to experiment with some mild overclocking and I figure something like an H60 should keep me relevant for a while.
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Originally Posted by SimplyTheBest;13705800 
Obviously if this is more of a gaming build you can sacrifice a little bit on somethings and try to get something like a gtx480 for around $250 or less, You will be much happier.

It's not a dedicated gaming build.
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Yes there are people who has the M4 has some problems, but usually people who complain about it will post about it, and people who loves it won't bother to post. Have you read up on OCZ? they are one of the highest RMA SSD out there. Even the store I buy my parts told me to buy something else which is cheaper instead of getting the Vertex 2. The guy was offering me a Corsair which was cheaper because the OCZ's RMA issue. Even if you are concern about the M4 freezing on boot up its more of a firmware issue, something that can be fixed its not a hardware issue like the OCZ.

Yes I would highly recommend you get a bigger psw. Once you start getting into the OC/gaming hobby you will wish you had more. Than you want to SLI or CF then realized your psw isn't adequate then you go on and spend more money to buy one. I just build my system 2 weeks ago, and I spent lots of time reading and planning for future upgrades therefore, I eventually went with the 6870 and a 600 watt psw. The 6870 currently is cheapest out of the mid range vid cards, and when paired up in CF it performs better than cards costing more than both of them. Example 2 x GTX 560 is faster than the GTX 580 too, but then it cost the same or even more than a GTX 580 while 6870 CF cost less than $400.

This just my opinion, I am sure many people here will argue against my points, but then I am no fan boy of Nvidia or ATI, i based my purchase on the facts/performance and cost =)
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post #26 of 33
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Originally Posted by mcc21;13706699 
Yes there are people who has the M4 has some problems, but usually people who complain about it will post about it, and people who loves it won't bother to post. Have you read up on OCZ? they are one of the highest RMA SSD out there. Even the store I buy my parts told me to buy something else which is cheaper instead of getting the Vertex 2. The guy was offering me a Corsair which was cheaper because the OCZ's RMA issue. Even if you are concern about the M4 freezing on boot up its more of a firmware issue, something that can be fixed its not a hardware issue like the OCZ.

Yes I would highly recommend you get a bigger psw. Once you start getting into the OC/gaming hobby you will wish you had more. Than you want to SLI or CF then realized your psw isn't adequate then you go on and spend more money to buy one. I just build my system 2 weeks ago, and I spent lots of time reading and planning for future upgrades therefore, I eventually went with the 6870 and a 600 watt psw. The 6870 currently is cheapest out of the mid range vid cards, and when paired up in CF it performs better than cards costing more than both of them. Example 2 x GTX 560 is faster than the GTX 580 too, but then it cost the same or even more than a GTX 580 while 6870 CF cost less than $400.

This just my opinion, I am sure many people here will argue against my points, but then I am no fan boy of Nvidia or ATI, i based my purchase on the facts/performance and cost =)

I appreciate your insight on the SSDs. Maybe I'll call Crucial and see what they have to say.

On the psu, I could get a Cooler Master M600 for only $10 more than the Seasonic I was looking at getting. It's supposed to be very quiet (important to me) and supports SLI/CF as well.
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Cooler Master M600 is only 600 watts. If you plan to CF than its fine (only the 6970 and 6990 needs more than 600 watts to CF), but if you plan to SLI you need a bigger psw.

I would look at the XFX 650 watts ($88)... its $68 after rebate (this should handle several SLI configurations as well as CF). plus this has detachable cables, making your cable management better as you only connect the ones you need and not have extra cables unused and taking up room.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207007

I read many great things about XFX products. Its quiet which is your main concern (but keep in mind once again some reviewers complain about a faulty fan. this again is the same as what i said about the M4). I was planning to get one but then the Antec 620 HCG was on sale for only $55 here in Canada so I cant resist =)
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Apparently, THIS is the fix for the Crucial freeze issue.

So the CM M600 is approved for CF but can't support SLI on a GTX 560? That's too bad, it's got very good reviews.
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Apparently, THIS is the fix for the Crucial freeze issue.

So the CM M600 is approved for CF but can't support SLI on a GTX 570? That's too bad, it's got very good reviews.

You want the GTX 570 SLI now? not the GTX 560 SLI? The GTX 570 SLI to be on the safe side get at least 750 watts.

http://www.antec.outervision.com/PSUEngine

Go here and plug in your components for a reference. These aren't absolute 100% accurate and remember to set your motherboard as 'high end desktop' and plug in how much you going overclock your i5-2500k.

I did a rough estimate without OC your cpu and it came to around 625 watts minimum for GTX 570 SLI. So try to get around 50-100 watts more based on what that calculator gives you. Also the better 12V rail wattage your psu gives you the better.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139021

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207015

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371049

These three are all good psu ...i personally own the antec HCG series.
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Originally Posted by mcc21;13707557 
You want the GTX 570 SLI now? not the GTX 560 SLI?

My apologies, I meant 560. SLI is only a potential future option for now.
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