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Hello everyone, I am in need of some suggestions and opinions on my next build. As you can see from my current system specs, I haven't built a PC in a very long time. That is why I hope some of you can lend a bit of your time and knowledge to help me, if it isn't asking too much for my first post.

The rig will mainly be used for typical web surfing, music, high def media and mainly gaming. I will be on a 24.5" Samsung @ 1920x1200 with the possibility of moving down towards a lower resolution such as 1920×1080 in the distant future. My budget is $700, including shipping, tax, etc.

Was looking at the following hardware:


Already purchased:
Would like to recycle:
  • Case will definitely be reused.
  • Hard drive (WD Caviar Blue 640 GB 300 MBps/7200 rpm) I don't really mind load times, they seem to go rather quick on this drive for me.
  • Windows 7 PRO Upgrade. Upgraded from Vista Business, activated last December, can I transfer the license legally?
  • Power supply unit. Has been stable for 4-5 years, is it worth recylcing a unit this old for a new build?

What I have listed adds up to about $514. Which leaves me with close to $186 left over for RAM (need some suggestions), possibly new operating system license?, possible new power supply unit? Would you change anything? (I prefer NVIDIA over AMD GPU's)

Thank you for taking the time to read this.
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*First of all the CPU you've chose is ideal for a new gaming rig, so we'll keep that

*The motherboard on the other hand no for two not very objective reasons and an objective one: the only boards that have failed on me are from MSI; two: there are too many broken MSI motherboard threads on OCN pointing to inadequate VRM components. The objective reason is that Z68 appeared, thus P67 boards are less interesting so I would go for this 129$ Z68 Gigabyte board. After the awesome board you have you don't want a finicky cost-saving board for amateur OCers.

*HDD - no point in upgrading the HDD to another HDD; an SSD would make a difference in responsiveness so when the time comes...

*OS - I'm not 100% sure, but upgrade licenses could be tied to the motherboard they've been activated on. To be sure call M$ and ask.

*RAM - some 2x4GB DDR3-1600 kit; maybe other members can chip in with some good DDR3 recomandations

*PSU - I have just built my 3rd sig rig on practically the same PSU you have, though without the modular cables. It's a solid PSU although not very efficient - it hovers between 70 and 78% vs the over-85% for the newest PSUs. I think you should keep it for now and upgrade down the road.

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It's hard to imagine going back to pre SSD times. You really need to save up a hundred or so dollars for an SSD trust me. I personally think it's a waste to get a 2500k system with no solid state drive. The hard drive is the single biggest bottleneck in a computer by far.
I think upgrade licenses are the same as OEM - tied to motherboard. That being said I just transferred my win 7 OEM to another motherboard (other died) no problem. Windows just reactivated. Apparently you can explain by phone your motherboard died as well but who knows.
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post #4 of 7
2500K
Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD3-B3
4Gb DDR3 1600Mhz Value Ram

Also if your budget is so tight that you can't afford an SSD or don't want to bugger around with an extremely small ssd <60 and a storage drive; i'd get a 1TB WD Black drive or a Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB (most newer drives have upgraded firmware to resolve an old bug with the 1155 chipset).
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Seems like a SSD is being mentioned a lot. Is it really worth the

? I find when playing games, I am always one of the first people loaded in on map changes/lobby launch. My computer also boots up in about 35-40 seconds, am I going to see a huge difference here for my basic needs? It wouldn't be logical for me to spend $100 to see a few seconds knocked off load/launch times, or would I see a bigger difference? Also, has the longevity of these drives increased for the good? I have read a lot in the past that they have short lifespans.

Thanks for all the replies, I am going to look into that Gigabyte board.
Edited by lobster - 5/31/11 at 12:54pm
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Originally Posted by lobster View Post
Hello everyone, I am in need of some suggestions and opinions on my next build. As you can see from my current system specs, I haven't built a PC in a very long time. That is why I hope some of you can lend a bit of your time and knowledge to help me, if it isn't asking too much for my first post.

The rig will mainly be used for typical web surfing, music, high def media and mainly gaming. I will be on a 24.5" Samsung @ 1920x1200 with the possibility of moving down towards a lower resolution such as 1920×1080 in the distant future. My budget is $700, including shipping, tax, etc.

Was looking at the following hardware:
Already purchased:
Would like to recycle:
  • Case will definitely be reused.
  • Hard drive (WD Caviar Blue 640 GB 300 MBps/7200 rpm) I don't really mind load times, they seem to go rather quick on this drive for me.
  • Windows 7 PRO Upgrade. Upgraded from Vista Business, activated last December, can I transfer the license legally?
  • Power supply unit. Has been stable for 4-5 years, is it worth recylcing a unit this old for a new build?

What I have listed adds up to about $514. Which leaves me with close to $186 left over for RAM (need some suggestions), possibly new operating system license?, possible new power supply unit? Would you change anything? (I prefer NVIDIA over AMD GPU's)

Thank you for taking the time to read this.
change the mobo to a gigabyte z68x ud3p/ud3h
ram- gskill ripjawsX 8gb/4gb
gpu- gtx560ti/gtx560
psu- corsair tx750 v2/tx650 v2

Don't include a SSD in that budget,else you'll have to cheap out on other components.
Hope you like my suggestion.
Edited by Aniket - 5/31/11 at 1:01pm
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Originally Posted by lobster View Post
Seems like a SSD is being mentioned a lot. Is it really worth the price? I find when playing games, I am always one of the first people loaded in on map changes/lobby launch. My computer also boots up in about 35-40 seconds, am I going to see a huge difference here for my basic needs? It wouldn't be logical for me to spend $100 to see a few seconds knocked off load/launch times, or would I see a bigger difference? Also, has the longevity of these drives increased for the good? I have read a lot in the past that they have short lifespans.

Thanks for all the replies, I am going to look into that Gigabyte board.
In my opinion there is no better single upgrade than an SSD. Bare with me a little as this is not an easy thing to quantify, but it's not only the couple of seconds faster load times. It's also the faster boot times, instantaneous resume, the fact after you see the Win screen after boot you can immediately start whatever software you want, no random slowdown due to the antivirus scanning, etc. A practical example: it's like a regular incandescent light-bulb vs the neon-lamp: you just have to wait for the neon lamp to heat up and provide good lighting, while the lightbulb is just on; this can be a problem or it may not, depending on what you actually do with the PC.
High access times are not a problem on a file server where instant nanosecond access is pointless, but it is quite important in a desktop PC - one can afford having Winamp running, a dozen browser tabs opened, maybe some ebook/home-movie conversion in the background and still load and play a game very quickly. Imagine this on a HDD. SSDs & Quad CPUs can enable a new usage model.
My take is to go for an SSD when you can, but get at least 80GB. A Crucial M4 or C300 128GB is probably the best capacity/$ at this point with the Intel 80GB drives a more budget-oriented alternative.
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