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We have the most advanced warfighting military in the world hands down. I wouldn't second guess their training methods. I would gladly pay my taxes knowing the military continues to find new, innovative ways to train troops safely.
I want to play this.
As a disabled combat vet I will say that this will be beneficial in training.

I never had a problem with combat games till I saw the trailer for Battlefield 3. I know it's because the graphics and physics reaching their current point and dedication to realism that it evokes my memories.

It gives me pause on occasion as the architecture, character movement, behavior, graphics and several other minute details are accurately depicted.

Then there's the things only a vet would recognize. For example those white Volkswagen Passat's with the orange quarter panels, that is their taxi cab paint scheme rather than the solid yellow we commonly see in America.

But that's just when I watch the trailer. When I'm actually playing I'm so engaged that the interactivity occupies my focus enough that I think about the task at hand in the game. Even though I know it's not real the fact that I have the crucial element of interactivity in a video game to influence the outcome as opposed to a movie where you just passively watch events unfold makes a big difference. And I can't watch war movies at all anymore due to heart palpitations and a sudden, overwhelming sense of anxiety.

That seems to be the case thus far, guess I'll see when I actually play BF3. If they put emphasis on realism, and I'm talking minute details, I could definitely see how VR training would benefit a soldier.

If nothing else it gives a bit more hands on experience with those hectic, edge of control situations and the body and mind being more accustomed to those stress levels. Which is crucial considering the stress level of your standard issue grunt can go far beyond that of a fighter pilot.
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Can I play is US Army plzthnxkbai?
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Keeping us safe lol. More like restricting our rights for the guise of "protection."

On topic, yes, this is great, I just hope they don't mess it up like with AA3. AA2 was where it was at, however AA3 was a major step back in game play. Lets just hope they don't fire the studio after they complete the project...
This.

I could quickly turn this into a globalist debate, but my posts would get deleted, so I won't.
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.....and this is why were in such debt. wasting so much money for no reason!
In all honesty 54m is pocket change for US govt.
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Did any of you guys actually read the article? This will be cheaper in the long run they say. And you know what? I believe them. Let's use some common sense here.

Having the military go off in the woods to "Play Army" (as I called it when I was in a few years ago) is NOT CHEAP. Fuel, ammo, food, training site costs (EXPENSIVE), repairs, logistical transportation, etc. all add up to a very hefty cost!! I've seen some of them. And holy friggin' crap! Now this simulator can simulate full on combat with explosions, close danger, tons of ordinance, and so on. That stuff is expensive and dangerous to do in field exercises rather than just driving over to a building on base and doing these things. It allows you to simulate an engagement in new and expanded ways.

And no, I don't believe this could replace real field training. That is invaluable. But it can be coupled with that to enhance our soldier's capabilities.

Final words: I'm all for it. And yes. Yes it CAN play Crysis.
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Did any of you guys actually read the article? This will be cheaper in the long run they say. And you know what? I believe them. Let's use some common sense here.

Having the military go off in the woods to "Play Army" (as I called it when I was in a few years ago) is NOT CHEAP. Fuel, ammo, food, training site costs (EXPENSIVE), repairs, logistical transportation, etc. all add up to a very hefty cost!! I've seen some of them. And holy friggin' crap! Now this simulator can simulate full on combat with explosions, close danger, tons of ordinance, and so on. That stuff is expensive and dangerous to do in field exercises rather than just driving over to a building on base and doing these things. It allows you to simulate an engagement in new and expanded ways.

And no, I don't believe this could replace real field training. That is invaluable. But it can be coupled with that to enhance our soldier's capabilities.

Final words: I'm all for it. And yes. Yes it CAN play Crysis.
Exactly. While this doesn't eliminate field training, it never will, it allows troops to train with things that they wouldn't get to normally do in normal training. Most troops never get to train in full military scale combat operations until they are deployed into an actual warzone. This simulator allows for the troops to be trained in a virtual battlefield, giving them invaluable experience on how to act and prepare for the actual thing. I'm all for it, and if you watch the trailer on the source link, you can see examples of what they can do with the engine and the training simulator.
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The term "virtual reality" sounds so 90's now.

We are...VR...Troopers! VIRTUAL REALITY!!

lol.

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No, the china beats it hands down.
The China?
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I tried out some things like this...completely worthless as far as training goes unless they've drastically inproved it. However, I find it hard to believe that a VR head set is going to replace the feeling you get when you get a surprise ambush from a couple SAWs and 240g's firing blanks. Also, it will be programmed...combat is random. Even if they had a 1000 different scenarios they would end up being predictable.

It might end up being cheaper in the long run then performing traditional training, but I don't think it is possible for it to be better. The saying "More sweat in peace mean less blood in war" is true. I didn't think my training would really help all that much other than to disapline my mind, but it really did when it actually mattered. This is going to take out some of the sweat...which will mean more blood.

LOL...yeah, China military is getting pretty high up there in the tech. You need to remember that US military equipment is getting rather old. The M1A2 tank was designed in the 1970's and just a few newer gadgets have been bolted on like better thermal sights and GPS and such...nothing that the rest of the world doesn't have. Our main fighter jets are the same way. Techwise...I'd say the only area the US is ahead in is unmanned vehicles. That is mainly because other militaries feel it is OK to just stick people in there instead of a computer...probably cheaper if they don't spend as much on training as the US does.
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Useless.... very very useless
No its not... if it works. You have to start somewhere since this or something similar will be the preferred training method of the future. This allows a controlled environment where things shoot back without needing to go out into the field. Imagine if they are capable of quickly creating an environment that is almost a dead on replica of where the unit will be fighting the next day. You get a safe run through of the layout of the building and an even better understanding of where dangers could be.

This won't be on that level because its the beginnings but like I said before, you have to start somewhere. They could spend it on body armor but the best armor in the world is not getting shot in the first place because of training.

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No, the china beats it hands down.
No they don't. Man power? Sure. Tech? No way. Check out their air force compared to the USA. Or their navy. Or their outdated tanks. The USA's number of these types of machines out paces the Chinese as well.

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China makes more than playskool toys and barbie dolls.
Yes, they also make knock-offs of things made/designed by other countries. For example, their tanks. They are still playing catch up in the R&D department at the moment which is probably due to monetary concerns.
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