Overclock.net › Forums › Video Games › PC Gaming › Valve > Activision
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Valve > Activision - Page 4

post #31 of 40
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jync View Post
Agreed. It's too bad I'm addicted to CoD.
I bet you, if your friends stopped playing you'd never play it again. Most ofit is due to peer pressure - as in I've heard tons of excuses in this and other forums. Usually along the lines of "my clan has the game" or "something to play with friends".
post #32 of 40
Quote:
Originally Posted by ntherblast View Post
when you said hf you meant half life? if half life is junk then name a good fps.
hf2=half life2
it's ok but the
but it's not that good imo
first one is way better
not much into FPS myself
OoGhiJ MIQtxxXA
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
q9550 E0 @3.825ghz Abit IX48-GT3 Tigerforce SPARKLE GTX470 850c/1800m 220 650c sli later 4GB DDR3 Mushkin blackline 7-8-7-24-1T 1200mhz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
WD1tb +WD500gb +WD200gb not like I need one edge linux LG 22" w2240 +optiquest q71 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Adesso MKB-135B Mechanical DELTA GPS-750B A 750w sleeved moded Kandalf LCS Razer Mamba 
Mouse Pad
don't got one or need one 
  hide details  
Reply
OoGhiJ MIQtxxXA
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
q9550 E0 @3.825ghz Abit IX48-GT3 Tigerforce SPARKLE GTX470 850c/1800m 220 650c sli later 4GB DDR3 Mushkin blackline 7-8-7-24-1T 1200mhz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
WD1tb +WD500gb +WD200gb not like I need one edge linux LG 22" w2240 +optiquest q71 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Adesso MKB-135B Mechanical DELTA GPS-750B A 750w sleeved moded Kandalf LCS Razer Mamba 
Mouse Pad
don't got one or need one 
  hide details  
Reply
post #33 of 40
How could you even compare the two? I guess if you wanted to compare the best (Valve) and worst (Activision) companies in the industry you could.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bikkit View Post
Have you seen L4D/2 or Portal 2? Compare those games to HL2. There is a very clear difference between them. And still, even Valve's newest games are able to run on minimal hardware with little to no game breaking bugs.

The Source engine hasn't aged, it's evolved.

There is absolutely no reason for Valve to create a new engine.
True, but Source is still starting to show its age. There are a few improvements I wish Valve would make to the Source Engine.

One of the major improvements I want is the ability to make larger scale maps. It is very easy for a mapper to hit the limits of the Source Engine with a large zombie escape map.

Another one of the major improvements I want is a revamped physics engine. Massive amounts of physics collisions in Source really bogs down the engine, even with a fast CPU. Meanwhile other modern engines can handle the same amount of physics collisions without the lag.

One of the minor improvements I want is a revamp of the vehicle system. Even back in 2004 the vehicle system was just okay. It's about time the vehicle system got a well deserved revamp.
Deimos (G4.P)
(18 items)
 
 
Arcturus (G4.S)
(9 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 5930K @ 4.3 Ghz ASUS X99 Deluxe II eVGA Titan X SC (1420/3900) 64GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4/2800 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Intel 750 400GB Samsung 850 Pro 512GB Samsung 850 Evo 1TB HEATKILLER IV PRO CPU Block 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
HEATKILLER IV XL GPU Block Windows 8.1 Pro Dell P2715Q Corsair K95 RGB 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Corsair AX860i Silverstone Fortress 2 Silver eVGA TORQ X10 Carbon Denon AVR-S510BT 
AudioAudio
JBL Studio 530 Dayton SUB-120 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i5 4670k @ 4.0 Ghz ASUS Z87-PRO eVGA Titan X SC (1435/4000) 32GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3/2400 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 850 Evo 1TB Samsung 850 Pro 512GB Noctua NH-U14S Windows 8.1 Pro 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell P2415Q 24" 4K Display Corsair K90 RGB (MX Brown) SeaSonic M12II 850W SilverStone FT02S-W 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
eVGA Torq X10 Carbon eVGA Torq X10 Pad JBL Studio 530 Dayton SUB-120 12" Subwoofer 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
Intel Xeon D-1521 Supermicro X10SDV-4C-TLN2F 64GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4/2133 Samsung 850 Evo 500GB 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
Samsung 850 Evo 1TB bequiet! Silent Wings 2 120mm Windows Server 2016 Datacenter Corsair SF450 
Case
Fractal Design Node 202 
  hide details  
Reply
Deimos (G4.P)
(18 items)
 
 
Arcturus (G4.S)
(9 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 5930K @ 4.3 Ghz ASUS X99 Deluxe II eVGA Titan X SC (1420/3900) 64GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4/2800 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Intel 750 400GB Samsung 850 Pro 512GB Samsung 850 Evo 1TB HEATKILLER IV PRO CPU Block 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
HEATKILLER IV XL GPU Block Windows 8.1 Pro Dell P2715Q Corsair K95 RGB 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Corsair AX860i Silverstone Fortress 2 Silver eVGA TORQ X10 Carbon Denon AVR-S510BT 
AudioAudio
JBL Studio 530 Dayton SUB-120 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i5 4670k @ 4.0 Ghz ASUS Z87-PRO eVGA Titan X SC (1435/4000) 32GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3/2400 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 850 Evo 1TB Samsung 850 Pro 512GB Noctua NH-U14S Windows 8.1 Pro 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell P2415Q 24" 4K Display Corsair K90 RGB (MX Brown) SeaSonic M12II 850W SilverStone FT02S-W 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
eVGA Torq X10 Carbon eVGA Torq X10 Pad JBL Studio 530 Dayton SUB-120 12" Subwoofer 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
Intel Xeon D-1521 Supermicro X10SDV-4C-TLN2F 64GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4/2133 Samsung 850 Evo 500GB 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
Samsung 850 Evo 1TB bequiet! Silent Wings 2 120mm Windows Server 2016 Datacenter Corsair SF450 
Case
Fractal Design Node 202 
  hide details  
Reply
post #34 of 40
Quote:
Originally Posted by SchmoSalt View Post
One of the major improvements I want is the ability to make larger scale maps. It is very easy for a mapper to hit the limits of the Source Engine with a large zombie escape map.

Another one of the major improvements I want is a revamped physics engine. Massive amounts of physics collisions in Source really bogs down the engine, even with a fast CPU. Meanwhile other modern engines can handle the same amount of physics collisions without the lag.

One of the minor improvements I want is a revamp of the vehicle system. Even back in 2004 the vehicle system was just okay. It's about time the vehicle system got a well deserved revamp.
I will agree that the size of maps on the source engine are always smaller, but that's a philosophical goal as well. The idea (which is ever-so present in TF2) is that firefights should take place up close. If they change their philosophy about this, then we'd see improvements in that area. As it stands now, it's just the modders who want the engine redone for that.

The physics system is a bit dated, I'll agree. What games do better with a lot more props flying around?

The vehicle system really is a joke. What do you plan on doing with it?
Bye Bye 775
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 2500k @ 4.5GHz ASUS P8P67 PRO MSI GTX 660 Ti Power Edition  2x4gb Ripjaws@1866MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
840Pro 128 | 3xWD Vraptor | 1.5TB Green LG 6X Blu-ray /HD-DVD combo Win7 Ultimate 64bit 2 x U2311H 1920x1080 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G710+ Corsair HX620 Corsair 600t Logitech G500 
  hide details  
Reply
Bye Bye 775
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 2500k @ 4.5GHz ASUS P8P67 PRO MSI GTX 660 Ti Power Edition  2x4gb Ripjaws@1866MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
840Pro 128 | 3xWD Vraptor | 1.5TB Green LG 6X Blu-ray /HD-DVD combo Win7 Ultimate 64bit 2 x U2311H 1920x1080 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G710+ Corsair HX620 Corsair 600t Logitech G500 
  hide details  
Reply
post #35 of 40
Quote:
Originally Posted by 3dfxvoodoo View Post
hf2=half life2
it's ok but the
but it's not that good imo
first one is way better
not much into FPS myself
HF2? acronym fail
The Half-Life and Portal series are the only series I have played through 5+ times and never got bored.
Yuki
(20 items)
 
Illya
(20 items)
 
Neptunia
(12 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 2500K 5Ghz ASUS P8P67 Pro EVGA 1080 Ti FTW3 G.Skill RipJaws X 2133Mhz 16GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
240GB Corsair Neutron GTX RAID0 Samsung 850 Evo 1TB WD Red 8TB Corsair H115i GTX 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
EK Vardar fans Windows 10 Dell u2713hm Apple Cinema Display 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Razer BlackWidow 2013 CoolerMaster V1000 Corsair 760T Artic White Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
CoolerMaster Swift-RX XL ASUS Xonar DX Schiit Magni Sennheiser HD650 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 Skylake-E X190 Nvidia Titan Volta 32GB 3200Mhz DDR4 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Samsung 960 Pro 512GB Samsung 850 Evo 1TB 8TB WD Red Corsair H115i GTX 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
EK Vardar fans Windows 10 Dell u2713hm Apple Cinema Display 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Ducky Shine CoolerMaster V1000 Corsair 760T Artic White Logitech G502 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
CoolerMaster Swift-RX XL Asus Xonar DX Schiit Magni Sennhesier HD650 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i5 6600 3.3Ghz Asus Z170M Pro AMD RX460 G.Skill 16GB 2133Mhz 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Samsung 850 M.2 256GB Windows 10 Dell S2817Q 4K Ducky Shine 3 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
CoolerMaster Vanguard 450W BitFenix Phenom Logitech G700S CoolerMaster Swift-RX 
  hide details  
Reply
Yuki
(20 items)
 
Illya
(20 items)
 
Neptunia
(12 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 2500K 5Ghz ASUS P8P67 Pro EVGA 1080 Ti FTW3 G.Skill RipJaws X 2133Mhz 16GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
240GB Corsair Neutron GTX RAID0 Samsung 850 Evo 1TB WD Red 8TB Corsair H115i GTX 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
EK Vardar fans Windows 10 Dell u2713hm Apple Cinema Display 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Razer BlackWidow 2013 CoolerMaster V1000 Corsair 760T Artic White Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
CoolerMaster Swift-RX XL ASUS Xonar DX Schiit Magni Sennheiser HD650 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 Skylake-E X190 Nvidia Titan Volta 32GB 3200Mhz DDR4 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Samsung 960 Pro 512GB Samsung 850 Evo 1TB 8TB WD Red Corsair H115i GTX 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
EK Vardar fans Windows 10 Dell u2713hm Apple Cinema Display 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Ducky Shine CoolerMaster V1000 Corsair 760T Artic White Logitech G502 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
CoolerMaster Swift-RX XL Asus Xonar DX Schiit Magni Sennhesier HD650 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i5 6600 3.3Ghz Asus Z170M Pro AMD RX460 G.Skill 16GB 2133Mhz 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Samsung 850 M.2 256GB Windows 10 Dell S2817Q 4K Ducky Shine 3 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
CoolerMaster Vanguard 450W BitFenix Phenom Logitech G700S CoolerMaster Swift-RX 
  hide details  
Reply
post #36 of 40
Valve games look like crap compared to COD.
nVidia Surround
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Q6600 @ 3.2GHz XFX 780i EVGA + ZOTAC 480GTX SLI 2 x 2GB G. Skill DDR2 @ 800MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Hitachi 2x250GB RAID 0 LG DVD + R/W Windows 7 x64 Professional 3 x Acer GD235HZ 120Hz 2ms 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Microsoft Ergonomic Keyboard 1220W KingWin Mach 1 Coolermaster HAF - X Razer Deathadder 
Mouse Pad
Razer eXactMat 
  hide details  
Reply
nVidia Surround
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Q6600 @ 3.2GHz XFX 780i EVGA + ZOTAC 480GTX SLI 2 x 2GB G. Skill DDR2 @ 800MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Hitachi 2x250GB RAID 0 LG DVD + R/W Windows 7 x64 Professional 3 x Acer GD235HZ 120Hz 2ms 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Microsoft Ergonomic Keyboard 1220W KingWin Mach 1 Coolermaster HAF - X Razer Deathadder 
Mouse Pad
Razer eXactMat 
  hide details  
Reply
post #37 of 40
Quote:
Originally Posted by KingofKings View Post
Valve games look like crap compared to COD.
Blanket statements like this incite flamewars.

Please elaborate.
Bye Bye 775
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 2500k @ 4.5GHz ASUS P8P67 PRO MSI GTX 660 Ti Power Edition  2x4gb Ripjaws@1866MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
840Pro 128 | 3xWD Vraptor | 1.5TB Green LG 6X Blu-ray /HD-DVD combo Win7 Ultimate 64bit 2 x U2311H 1920x1080 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G710+ Corsair HX620 Corsair 600t Logitech G500 
  hide details  
Reply
Bye Bye 775
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 2500k @ 4.5GHz ASUS P8P67 PRO MSI GTX 660 Ti Power Edition  2x4gb Ripjaws@1866MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
840Pro 128 | 3xWD Vraptor | 1.5TB Green LG 6X Blu-ray /HD-DVD combo Win7 Ultimate 64bit 2 x U2311H 1920x1080 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G710+ Corsair HX620 Corsair 600t Logitech G500 
  hide details  
Reply
post #38 of 40
Quote:
Originally Posted by iWantACookie View Post
Valve blows too.

They ruined TF2 forever.
post #39 of 40
Quote:
Originally Posted by justarealguy View Post
I will agree that the size of maps on the source engine are always smaller, but that's a philosophical goal as well. The idea (which is ever-so present in TF2) is that firefights should take place up close. If they change their philosophy about this, then we'd see improvements in that area. As it stands now, it's just the modders who want the engine redone for that.
Improving the engine in this way wouldn't be a bad thing for their philosophical approach to mapping. From my experience custom maps that aren't well thought out and have bad designs are usually weeded out. If Valve improved here it would provide the best of both worlds.

I am honestly really surprised that Valve hasn't improved here yet. They obviously cherish the modding community based around their games and like you said an improvement like this would really help the modding community out.

Quote:
Originally Posted by justarealguy View Post
The physics system is a bit dated, I'll agree. What games do better with a lot more props flying around?
Having a lot more props colliding would really only help in Gmod mainly. Being able to build huge contraptions without grinding the server or your computer to a halt would be awesome. Valve could also put an improved physics engine to good use. Just imagine the kind of physics puzzles they could make.

Quote:
Originally Posted by justarealguy View Post
The vehicle system really is a joke. What do you plan on doing with it?
A good vehicle system could really open up possibilities in Gmod. I bet there would be a whole gamemode dedicated to racing if the current vehicle system got replaced with a good one.
Deimos (G4.P)
(18 items)
 
 
Arcturus (G4.S)
(9 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 5930K @ 4.3 Ghz ASUS X99 Deluxe II eVGA Titan X SC (1420/3900) 64GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4/2800 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Intel 750 400GB Samsung 850 Pro 512GB Samsung 850 Evo 1TB HEATKILLER IV PRO CPU Block 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
HEATKILLER IV XL GPU Block Windows 8.1 Pro Dell P2715Q Corsair K95 RGB 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Corsair AX860i Silverstone Fortress 2 Silver eVGA TORQ X10 Carbon Denon AVR-S510BT 
AudioAudio
JBL Studio 530 Dayton SUB-120 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i5 4670k @ 4.0 Ghz ASUS Z87-PRO eVGA Titan X SC (1435/4000) 32GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3/2400 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 850 Evo 1TB Samsung 850 Pro 512GB Noctua NH-U14S Windows 8.1 Pro 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell P2415Q 24" 4K Display Corsair K90 RGB (MX Brown) SeaSonic M12II 850W SilverStone FT02S-W 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
eVGA Torq X10 Carbon eVGA Torq X10 Pad JBL Studio 530 Dayton SUB-120 12" Subwoofer 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
Intel Xeon D-1521 Supermicro X10SDV-4C-TLN2F 64GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4/2133 Samsung 850 Evo 500GB 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
Samsung 850 Evo 1TB bequiet! Silent Wings 2 120mm Windows Server 2016 Datacenter Corsair SF450 
Case
Fractal Design Node 202 
  hide details  
Reply
Deimos (G4.P)
(18 items)
 
 
Arcturus (G4.S)
(9 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 5930K @ 4.3 Ghz ASUS X99 Deluxe II eVGA Titan X SC (1420/3900) 64GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4/2800 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Intel 750 400GB Samsung 850 Pro 512GB Samsung 850 Evo 1TB HEATKILLER IV PRO CPU Block 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
HEATKILLER IV XL GPU Block Windows 8.1 Pro Dell P2715Q Corsair K95 RGB 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Corsair AX860i Silverstone Fortress 2 Silver eVGA TORQ X10 Carbon Denon AVR-S510BT 
AudioAudio
JBL Studio 530 Dayton SUB-120 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i5 4670k @ 4.0 Ghz ASUS Z87-PRO eVGA Titan X SC (1435/4000) 32GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3/2400 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 850 Evo 1TB Samsung 850 Pro 512GB Noctua NH-U14S Windows 8.1 Pro 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell P2415Q 24" 4K Display Corsair K90 RGB (MX Brown) SeaSonic M12II 850W SilverStone FT02S-W 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
eVGA Torq X10 Carbon eVGA Torq X10 Pad JBL Studio 530 Dayton SUB-120 12" Subwoofer 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
Intel Xeon D-1521 Supermicro X10SDV-4C-TLN2F 64GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4/2133 Samsung 850 Evo 500GB 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
Samsung 850 Evo 1TB bequiet! Silent Wings 2 120mm Windows Server 2016 Datacenter Corsair SF450 
Case
Fractal Design Node 202 
  hide details  
Reply
post #40 of 40
If Valve were to upgrade the source engine to be DX11 for future titles, with how big of a following they've gained in recent years with the L4D, Portal, and TF2 series not to mention the fanbase theyve had from previous games like Counter Strike and Half Life, I feel it would probably cause more casual gamers to upgrade to new graphics cards to play the latest and greatest thus causing a mini-upgrade revolution which could help gamers to be pushed to learn to upgrade their hardware thus pushing developers forward to total switch to DX 11 and bringing more interest to the computer gaming scene.

/end computer gaming dream
All Might
(17 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Ryzen R7 1800X X370 GAMING PRO CARBON (MS-7A32) Sapphire R9 290 Tri-X G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 288-... 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Seagate Barracuda STBD3000100 3TB 7200 RPM 64MB... Seagate Barracuda STBD3000100 3TB 7200 RPM 64MB... ASUS Black Blu-ray Drive SATA Model BC-12B1ST/B...  CORSAIR Hydro Series H60 (CW-9060007-WW) High ... 
OSMonitorMonitorMonitor
Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-bit Asus 27" MX279 Acer 24"  Acer 24"  
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
NMB Vintage Keyboard  EVGA 110-B2-0850-V1 80 PLUS Bronze 850 W Semi-... Cooler Master HAF 932 Full-Tower Case Razer DeathAdder 2013 
Mouse Pad
Haruko Haruhara Mousepad 
  hide details  
Reply
All Might
(17 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Ryzen R7 1800X X370 GAMING PRO CARBON (MS-7A32) Sapphire R9 290 Tri-X G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 288-... 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Seagate Barracuda STBD3000100 3TB 7200 RPM 64MB... Seagate Barracuda STBD3000100 3TB 7200 RPM 64MB... ASUS Black Blu-ray Drive SATA Model BC-12B1ST/B...  CORSAIR Hydro Series H60 (CW-9060007-WW) High ... 
OSMonitorMonitorMonitor
Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-bit Asus 27" MX279 Acer 24"  Acer 24"  
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
NMB Vintage Keyboard  EVGA 110-B2-0850-V1 80 PLUS Bronze 850 W Semi-... Cooler Master HAF 932 Full-Tower Case Razer DeathAdder 2013 
Mouse Pad
Haruko Haruhara Mousepad 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: PC Gaming
Overclock.net › Forums › Video Games › PC Gaming › Valve > Activision