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While this is true, someone who trains a natural skill is always going to be far better than someone who doesn't.
^ This
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Practice certainly is a huge part, but it seems like some are superior somehow physically in fps games as shown by their ability to get headshots, hit moving targets, etc.. I know I can't do it as fast as many players.

Even in a game like left 4 dead 2 which i've played hundreds of hours, I notice my aim is good, but not great.
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While this is true, someone who trains a natural skill is always going to be far better than someone who doesn't.
Completely agree, was just trying to say that even with the same amount of training/playing, some people are bound to still be better than others.
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i would call myself a pro gamer... i own most people in the games i play eg: mw2, tmf,and dirt2 you need to beable to think fast and have fast reflexs in your hand and fingers... i can sit infront of my pc all weekend long and it does not bother me at all. i do after 60 plus hours straight start gettinghand cramps and when it is cold it gets really bad.

i actualy do have the gamer calis's on both hands and can do the keyboad in both hands as well ...

i used to do pro cycling when i was a lot younger but gave that up because of 2 reason's:
1 bicycle got stollen
2 hurt my knee and took to long to heal so gave it up

but i know of really fat guys and they are fast quick and really good
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Practice certainly is a huge part, but it seems like some are superior somehow physically in fps games as shown by their ability to get headshots, hit moving targets, etc.. I know I can't do it as fast as many players.

Even in a game like left 4 dead 2 which i've played hundreds of hours, I notice my aim is good, but not great.
Take into account superior Hardware as well always plays a part. Specialized gaming mice/keyboards with build-in macros and extra buttons, imo comfort also plays a big part, making sure all your keys are easy reachable, plus somebody with 120 fps is obviously going to have better in game reflexes then somebody with 30 fps etc.
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In gaming almost everyone is equal (bar disabilities and equipment I guess, though for debates sake let's just say all equipment is the same and no one is disabled), you're not restricted by your height, or ability to run, or jump. You're simply restricted by your own personal skill. Something which you can train yourself to improve. Many people do it. Some people take it to a different level. I don't think this is anything to do with a physical superiorness, I don't think their is anything physically better about them. They just have the mental capacity and willpower to succeed where others cannot.
If you don't believe that the top pros in video games aren't more naturally physically skilled than others you are completely blind. Just like in ANY OTHER sport, practice can only get you so far. To be elite requires that extra something.

You're restricted by your reaction time, your coordination and endurance. These concepts are no different than running or jumping.
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Ofc there are some who are better suited. Just like in any competition. I would not agree that every pro player is physically superior though.

Scenarios might be that some grew up playing games while you grew up playing outside. Perhaps it might be that some really do practice that much harder than others, or maybe some really do have faster twitch muscle movement.

Some people simply have faster reflexes or more mental discipline, etc. It's obvious that none of us fit the bill or we'd have PC products named after our gamertag. Pro gamers are superior, for a variety of reasons IMHO.
    
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Take into account superior Hardware as well always plays a part. Specialized gaming mice/keyboards with build-in macros and extra buttons, imo comfort also plays a big part, making sure all your keys are easy reachable, plus somebody with 120 fps is obviously going ot have better in game reflexes then somebody with 30 fps etc.
For debates sake, as I stated before, let's rule out differing hardware, and physical disabilities, etc. Let's try and keep the playing field as balanced as possible. Two physically fine people, playing on equal systems.

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If you don't believe that the top pros in video games aren't more naturally physically skilled than others you are completely blind. Just like in ANY OTHER sport, practice can only get you so far. To be elite requires that extra something.

You're restricted by your reaction time, your coordination and endurance. These concepts are no different than running or jumping.
Running and jumping require a physical fitness to perform at a proffessional level (let's think about athletes in the olympics, or footballers, etc). Playing videogames does not. I believe that pro gamers are more naturally skilled, but not more naturally physically skilled.

All of the above can be trained to be improved (including physical fitness). This is where mentality comes into play.

Someone who has never picked up a control pad or keyboard and mouse in their life can train to be good with it. It has nothing to do with physical skill and everything to do with the will to succeed. If someone really wants to be good at something, and really trains hard enough to do it, they can. Do you think someone who trains hard for a job, or does alot of studying for a degree, is any more physically able than someone who failed to achieve it?

Or do you think they just really wanted it?

Do you seriously think a pro gamer is that much different? Sure they may have a natural talent, much like a pro footballer may have a natural talent, that doesn't make them physically superior in any way, that just makes them better at doing something than others.

Reaction times are about mental imagery. Fast typing skills come from memory. Being able to pinpoint your mouse where you want it to go is all about co-ordination. These are mental tasks, they require a strong mentality, and fast proccessing, to achieve and perform.

I don't really see anything superior about this in a physical form.
Edited by Lifeshield - 5/31/11 at 11:31am
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For debates sake, as I stated before, let's rule out differing hardware, and physical disabilities, etc. Let's try and keep the playing field as balanced as possible. Two physically fine people, playing on equal systems.
if we go on that, then there are a few things we need to take into.....

1 training
2 hand eye cordination
3 mental health
4 body health
5 are you in the mood
6 are you cold or hot ar just content with the area around you
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If you don't believe that the top pros in video games aren't more naturally physically skilled than others you are completely blind. Just like in ANY OTHER sport, practice can only get you so far. To be elite requires that extra something.

You're restricted by your reaction time, your coordination and endurance. These concepts are no different than running or jumping.
I refuse to subscribe to the idea that this is a "sport"... It's simply a chance for nerds to impress other nerds with our 1337 pwnz0ring skillz.
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