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I really don't know how you can't understand this.
I understand it, I just dont agree with you.

I'll make this real simple, short, and to the point.

If you want to be good at something, you need to have the right mentality, the willpower, and the intelligence, to be good at it. If you don't then no matter what natural physical ability you may have you will fail.
Edited by Lifeshield - 5/31/11 at 12:36pm
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In playing online fps games, knowledge of the environments and game, experience, etc... are undoubtedly important.

However from footage I've seen it would seem pro gamers like fatal1ty have superior hand eye coordination for sure.

Was curious if anyone had done any studies on the physical characteristics of elite gamers, like hand-eye coordination, reflexes, etc...?

Would be interesting to see I think.
physically inferior, but their coardination is superior
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85 percent mental stamina. 5 percent physical reflexes. 4 percent hand-eye coordination. 1 percent luck. Imho.
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If you want to be good at something, you need to have the right mentality, the willpower, and the intelligence, to be good at it. If you don't then no matter what natural physical ability you may have you will fail.
Great, I agree with that (for the most part). That's not the point we're debating though. The fact remains that very elite gamers have physical advantages/are more physically skilled than the average gamer or non-gamer.
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well lets end all the bickering. I have let this all go on long enough.


Yes, i am superior.
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Great, I agree with that (for the most part). That's not the point we're debating though. The fact remains that very elite gamers have physical advantages/are more physically skilled than the average gamer or non-gamer.
Very elite gamers also have more mental advantages/are more mentally skilled than the average gamer or non gamer.

The debate here is what matters most? The mental ability, or the physical ability.

In my opinion you cannot succeed without the mental ability, without the will to train your natural skill, or the mental stamina (as someone else brought up) to actually train in front of a PC for however long it takes you to get good. Without the knowledge, and resources, and in many cases teamwork.

You also have to actually like it. Another mental trait. It's certainly not a physical one (when I think of this I think of videogame addiction as something to reference from). I think someone who absolutely loves a game is more likely to be good at it, to want to be good at it, than someone who doesn't, regardless of physical ability.

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well lets end all the bickering. I have let this all go on long enough.


Yes, i am superior.
No you're not. Red Shirt Guy > you.

<3
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Aside from believing that pro gamers are born with exceptional hand eye coordination, I think that they also have more creativity than everyone else. Like music, everyone can play music, but not all can make one.
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Very elite gamers also have more mental advantages/are more mentally skilled than the average gamer or non gamer.

The debate here is what matters most? The mental ability, or the physical ability.

In my opinion you cannot succeed without the mental ability, without the will to train your natural skill, or the mental stamina (as someone else brought up) to actually train in front of a PC for however long it takes you to get good. Without the knowledge, and resources, and in many cases teamwork.

You also have to actually like it. Another mental trait. It's certainly not a physical one (when I think of this I think of videogame addiction as something to reference from). I think someone who absolutely loves a game is more likely to be good at it, to want to be good at it, than someone who doesn't, regardless of physical ability.
One again, I agree with you that the mental aspect is very important, and probably more important than the physical aspect. If you actually read my posts you'll see I never even commented on how much I believed the mental aspect plays into the equation. That's because the thread isn't about that. Now you're changing the basis of the argument completely in an attempt to back out of the corner you've trapped yourself in.

I was debating this viewpoint you gave:

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I don't think this is anything to do with a physical superiorness, I don't think their is anything physically better about them. They just have the mental capacity and willpower to succeed where others cannot.
As you can see, you clearly asserted that physical capabilities have no bearing on gaming skill. If you can't see that that's false then...
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I'd expect them to have some excellent fast twitch fibers and superb reaction times. Fast twitch and reaction ability is not always something that can be taught.
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Well, superior is pushing it a wee bit, but yeah, fps players do tend to have better coordination, better reflexes, better awareness of their surroundings, etc. After all, if you memorize dozens upon dozens of 3d environments (and some of them can be rather large) you will have more spatial awareness. And the reflex/coordination thing seems pretty damn obvious as well - fps can require somewhat complex split second decisions and fast reaction time.
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