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Originally Posted by Lifeshield View Post
I'm quite wrong? Where did I ever actually state the ability to surpass?

I simply stated that someone with no talent is capable of training to a level where they can be talented. If they want to be good they can be. I never said anything about being "better" than someone who is naturally talented.

There's a pretty significant difference here.

Though I also would not rule out the possibility either.
My apologies then for misunderstanding. As long as you admit to impossibility. It's not even a possibility.

Ceteris paribus is latin but it's no more uncommon than deus ex machina or bona fide, pro bono, carpe diem etc. (No offense intended but if someone has been through schooling they've encountered these words.) It simply means all other variables being equal.

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Professional gaming has very little to do with physical ability and almost everything to do with mental ability. This isn't a physical sport, where the bigger, more athletic dude gets the win. Typing and clicking is not a physically demanding activity - assuming that you have fully functional fingers and 20/20 eyesight, anybody can become just as good at Call of Duty or w/e as a so-called Professional. 90% of the skill is in knowing the game. An experienced gamer becomes adept at the control scheme of any given FPS in a matter of days - most of the work goes into learning the game: maps, weapons, techniques, exploits, tricks, etc.

Like Lifeshield, I too can type as fast as any Starcraft player. I can type over 140 WPM (that's max, not average*), so go ahead and say that I haven't physically mastered the keyboard, lol. The reason I'd get spanked at Starcraft isn't because my fingers can't fly to the correct keys in time, it's because they don't know what the correct keys are.

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How can you miss this? Lifeshield argues for removing all variables possible, yet both of you want to introduce more! Take your own scenario to the extreme. What happens when for the sake of this comparison, both you and player X both have memorized the maps "physically mastered the keyboard"? It won't be a tie.

Either yourself, or player X will win, according to who is more naturally gifted with hand eye coordination, fast twitch muscles, etc.

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I am debating whether that natural ability is mental ability or physical ability
There's no debate. It's one in the same. Natural ability is a classification of it's own. You can further qualify natural ability as being mental or physical, but that doesn't change the definition of natural ability. It isn't inherently mental or physical. It simply is.
Edited by Senator - 5/31/11 at 3:00pm
    
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No I'm not. Not in the context of his post. Or by the definitions I already set.



Yes, and one gamers mental ability can surpass anothers mental ability, aswell as their own physical ability. As already established.



I don't think anyone can say this with 100% certainty.

But even if that was true natural talent does not equal physical talent, as already established.



A 90 year old wouldn't be physically capable of going to the toilet unaided, nevermind competing in any type of event. She'd probably have a heart attack playing Bingo.

The analogy is flawed because the physical condition contributed by age wouldn't allow her to. Remember what I said earlier about keeping people in similar physical condition?



Again you try and compare a sport, which requires physical fitness, & condition, aswell as completely different skillsets, to playing videogames. Videogames require mental fitness and condition, the exact opposite. They do not require you to be able to jump, run, or throw a ball.



You seriously didn't read a word I posted did you? Because if you did then you COMPLETELY missed the point.

You can throw a baseball 80 mph. You already have the physical capability. You just need the mental capability to put it where you want.



Ok, so by physical ability you mean flicking a mouse 1/4 of an inch and placing crosshairs perfectly, 100 APM, hand to eye co-ordination, etc.

I already covered this, read back further.
Keep trying to spin your qualifications whichever way you like but the simple fact is, physical ability does play a factor in gaming. And, depending on what metric you measure physical performance by, superior as originally posited.
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I think this thread is starting to go a bit too fully into semantics...

We can all agree, I think, that a gamer with better twitch reflexes with the exact same equipment, mental ability, experience, and health as another gamer will be better at playing a game than will another.

I think we can also all agree that mental ability and experience plays a larger role than natural physical ability.

Therefore, the debate going on in this thread seems to be.... "What is the subject of debate in this thread?" /facepalm
    
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The simple fact is, physical ability does play a factor in gaming. And, depending on what metric you measure physical performance by, superior as originally posted.
That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it.

I do not share it however.
Edited by Lifeshield - 5/31/11 at 3:20pm
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How can you miss this? Lifeshield argues for removing all variables possible, yet both of you want to introduce more! Take your own scenario to the extreme. What happens when for the sake of this comparison, both you and player X both have memorized the maps "physically mastered the keyboard"? It won't be a tie.

Either yourself, or player X will win, according to who is more naturally gifted with hand eye coordination, fast twitch muscles, etc.
Why do you assume it won't be a tie? Draws do occur. But yes, most likely one of us will win, and if it's a game that I know well, the "Professional" will not have any edge over me unless it's his ping. I'm not arguing for removing all possible variables because that's exactly what determines which one of us will win. There's one all-powerful variable that no Professional can mitigate and that's LUCK. No matter how Pro you are, if you spawn in front of a noob's double barreled shotgun, you're going to die. There comes a point where you've played a map so many times that you can't possibly know it any better. The same is true of a control scheme.
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It's called SKILLZ!

Just play 20 hours a day to the same game for months like they do and you might be better than most players then
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That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it.

I do not share it however.
Opinion =/= fact
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