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No idea; they've not been released yet.
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A slight but substancial "nudge" towards the people Stanford really wants to be working their -bigadv WU's. I always felt that Stanford just tolerated (and not to be tolerated for ever) the 8 core/thread processing of -bigadv. I can't say it does not leave me with a "turn the lights out when you leave" feeling.They got me to invest a pretty large chunk of change to work -bigadvs and it is going to be real hard to get me to keep investing, at some point you just have to say,enough.At least with these i7 machines I have a way to put them to some other pratical use, going bigger, there just is no reason besides folding to have the capabilities and I don't spend that kind of money when there is only a singular use.I am to dump 3 perfectly good i7 machines because they cant fold -bigadv anymore, not in this lifetime.I have a real hard time trying to find a use for 4 cores and 4 threads (besides folding) One more hobby that got priced out of my range.
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You know, SMP still works fine.
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My reply is that nothing stays stagnant, change is going to happen. When distributed computing first started back in 2000 (at least in the circumstance we are speaking) I think there was a more "we are all in this together". As natural events occour this is not the same anymore. It certainly won't be by my decision or my wishes but the promotion of folding is going to have to evolve also. No longer can it be promoted as simply an afterthought activity. What I mean is, I definitly see a class division happening within folding and I think the class division weakens folding as its strenght came from the mindset that we are all in this together.We all know that the "pay" you get from folding is the feeling it instills inside of you. When this feeling stops from being a feeling of being part of a group that is joined hand in hand with eachother to solve disease to being part of a group that could be done without it sets the stage for a division of efforts, and this division of efforts is not going to have a good ending
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I don't see the 8 core -bigadv going anywhere anytime soon. There are too many people folding on it for Stanford to pull the rug out from under them. They would lose too many valuable resources by doing that just to gain a minority group of people folding 12 core or more. I have a question, does a SR-2 board configuration count as 16 cores? Could you configure it to fold both CPU's on the same WU?

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I don't see the 8 core -bigadv going anywhere anytime soon. There are too many people folding on it for Stanford to pull the rug out from under them. They would lose too many valuable resources by doing that just to gain a minority group of people folding 12 core or more. I have a question, does a SR-2 board configuration count as 16 cores? Could you configure it to fold both CPU's on the same WU?
Do you know how much of Stanford's research comes from -bigadv i7s?
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No but by the lack of -bigadv plus the sheer number of people that fold -bigadv on here (again speculation), I'd say alot.
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You do realise they already have a code that reads the CPU signature and will stop the VM workaround. They decided not to implement it at this time because the PII X6 and 2600K are not creating a problem at this time. But I would not always count on the VM workaround.
What would they gain? If the computation is correct and useful, they don't care how it was done (as long as it does not break TOS), they just want to make sure that people do not waste their time on huge WU that they probably will not finish, I believe.

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What would they gain? If the computation is correct and useful, they don't care how it was done (as long as it does not break TOS), they just want to make sure that people do not waste their time on huge WU that they probably will not finish, I believe.
That's correct; but it is indeed possible that they want a very short turnover time per WU. While 3 days is within the deadline, it's possible that in future, PG would rather have an average of 1-2 days per completed WU. That would be where different limits come into play (rather than different deadlines, since that would change the bonus formula).
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This is where a decision would have to be made. This decision would be,do we alieniate all of our loyal 8 core -bigadv folders and make this work available to only a certain group of folders (they must ask themselves do they really need it that fast) or do we keep the family together. Myself I think the hard numbers will win out and they will decide that they do indeede want the work faster and break the bond that held the team together. From reading the threads and answers over at PG there does not seem to be the same portion of reasoning behind the folding. This team here (on OCN) folds because we have all felt the pain of losing people. While I am sure PG group administration has also lost people it is much more a "we must get on with the science" motive. This is what I meant when I said the way folding is promoted must evolve. OCN is going to have to promote folding much more in the same way PG promotes it, as a way to work with the science, and steer away from the emotional aspect of the promotion of folding. The two reasons could not exist seperatly forever, sooner or latter OCN was going to have to come around to PG's way of thinking, because they are the boss here.

I could very easily buy the equipment to make me one of the people that qualifies to fold -bigadv but I do not think I will simply because of the damage done by making such a seperation in the team. This decision will be theirs to bear the fruit of or suffer the consequences of. I must say I do fell a bit suckered into making the effort I did and then to get the rug pulled out but hey there is always BIONIC.
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