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2 very different approaches to product testing,Intel with the 'break em replace em' and AMD with the 'you cant have it till its ready'...the Intel way is faster but costs more. Microsoft are keen for that method also.
I don't think that's correct at all to generalize like that. Intel's issue was with a 3rd party SATA controller, not the actual processor. Sure it caused a recall but not because Intel was ready with the chip. I would call performance issues big enough to cause a delay more alarming than a SATA controller issue that affected very very few people.
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I don't think that's correct at all to generalize like that. Intel's issue was with a 3rd party SATA controller, not the actual processor. Sure it caused a recall but not because Intel was ready with the chip. I would call performance issues big enough to cause a delay more alarming than a SATA controller issue that affected very very few people.
One thing to keep in mind is that this is an architecture that has been in development since 2008. It was initially due in 2009 but it was delayed due to the 32nm transition and working samples were available in Fall 2010. This is a completely new architecture since K10 and as such it is built from the ground up.
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1 Month for the B2 Stepping (July) - 30 Days
1 Month for Production (August) - 60 Days
1 Month for Retail Availability (September) - 90 Days
I think it s 60 days not 90 for availability.
I wonder what they will do with the B0-B1 chips.Did they make many of them or ...
It may be that the flag ship of Bulldozer was not ready ,but the rest of chips with lower clocks to be usable ?!
   
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One thing to keep in mind is that this is an architecture that has been in development since 2008. It was initially due in 2009 but it was delayed due to the 32nm transition and working samples were available in Fall 2010. This is a completely new architecture since K10 and as such it is built from the ground up.
I am aware of that but I don't understand your point. The fact that they've been working on it this long and are still suffering from last minute delays due to performance issues seems even more disheartening to me.
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I am aware of that but I don't understand your point. The fact that they've been working on it this long and are still suffering from last minute delays due to performance issues seems even more disheartening to me.
They have took everything with a bit more of calm to avoid the massive failure of the Phenom 9x00 series whose TLB bug issued historical money losses to AMD.

Totally understandable.
   
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They have took everything with a bit more of calm to avoid the massive failure of the Phenom 9x00 series whose TLB bug issued historical money losses to AMD.

Totally understandable.
Yeah, I definitely agree with that. They need to get it right the first time. It's just disconcerting they still haven't reached that point after all this time.
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I am aware of that but I don't understand your point. The fact that they've been working on it this long and are still suffering from last minute delays due to performance issues seems even more disheartening to me.
It s the manufacturing of the CPU.
I think Global Foundries are sabotageing Bulldozer .
It s already 2 years since they are trying to do this manufacturing process.
This is what Intel has fast ready ,the factoryes.
To bad Intel doesn t make chips for 3-rd partyes
   
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Personally looking at this, its actually a good thing, considering it gives us more time to put our old Phenom II to more use(Heck they provide all the performance you will ever need, even now) So this just extends the life of our Phenom II's by a few more months =]
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I don't think this is a good thing at all. If Sandy Bridge Extreme uses socket 1155 still then what is the point? You buy a i5 2500k now and it destroys every single damn game and application out there right now and most likely for the next entire year. Bulldozer comes out and assume for the sake of argument it is faster then SB...nobody cares though by then because the i5 is powerful enough to make it easy to wait for the extreme version stepping of SB. This is why I am torn, I was waiting for BD but logically to me it just doesn't make anymore sense as a gamer.

Now if you are running a T1055 or T1100 and maybe the quad cores with a good GFX card, what do you care? you can wait. Some of us though were really hoping for an early summer build. I can't even stand this Vista 32bit anymore and I kind of want to do all this at once. I can't wait much longer, I paid 50 bucks for Witcher and by the time I can play it with out BSoD, poor performance, and the settings I want the game will be for 20 bucks on steam.
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well, i dont know about you guys but i prefer to wait for a product that WORKS instead of a not so good model.
i can wait . very impatiently, but i can wait.

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One thing to keep in mind is that this is an architecture that has been in development since 2008. It was initially due in 2009 but it was delayed due to the 32nm transition and working samples were available in Fall 2010. This is a completely new architecture since K10 and as such it is built from the ground up.
K10 is still pretty much the K8 arch on roids.
AMD's last major arch change was back in the K8 days (i love K8! Opty 170 FTW!!!!)
and current K10.5 is a modified K10 arch.
    
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