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I wonder how many people are going to grab a 2600k instead

And good for them!
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Op.

Sandy Brdige mishap? One transistor in the CHIPSET named Cougar Point which caused a "theoretical" drop in SATA2 performance. No reported issues from users, and the problem was reported from Intel's internal testbed after X months of longetivity testing.

Cougar Point mishap. Yes. Not 990FX mishap, but Bulldozer mishap.
post #83 of 268
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Numbers as in performance? Because tbh, none of us know what kind of performance bd will have yet. But if this rumor is true, and they are creating a new stepping just to try and catch sandy bridge by increasing the stock/turbo clocks, then it is pretty obvious that sandy bridge clock for clock is still superior.

Cost however, is where amd excels, and it will be no different with bulldozer. If I was a huge fan of amd, then I wouldn't be complaining about delays or complaining about performance, but I would be rejoicing in the fact that bulldozer will be affordable. We will not be able to say the same thing about lga 2011 or sandy bridge-e though, I would bet my whooooooole piggy bank on it.
Sorry, I'll reiterate.

If they re-tool it now(fix's) will there be enough product come launch day?

because if there waiting until now to fix this stuff they are leaving themselves a short leash.

Me in short, I don't mind delays I have a thuban for the moment. Cost is no issue to.

I just find it odd for this to happen now since the SB has been out for a while now.
Also when they say board partners, it cant be Gigabyte because they seem confident enough to make their 990FX available to the market to purchase.
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GRRRRRR!

Engineering issues?

Maybe they are trying to prevent a Sandy Bridge Mishap?
Here we go AGAIN YES MAYBE YES RELEASE MAYBE NOW NO
post #85 of 268
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And it is simple, if according to the article, bulldozer's turbo speeds cannot compete with sandy bridge's turbo speeds, and they have to create a new stepping just for that reason, then bulldozer is not as fast clock for clock as sandy bridge, therefore it is an inferior product.
Logic behind this is?

You can't just say that "OH IT WORSE CLOK FOH CLOK IT ARE INFERIUR". What if it clocks higher without putting out more heat than an equivalent Sandy? What if it just happens to be so cheap that it offers the best performance at a given price point?

I'm not suggesting any of this be the case, but saying that product X is inferior based on one metric is a bit silly.
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I wonder how many people are going to grab a 2600k instead

And good for them!
I have the Thuban but been itching for another build. Was hoping BD would come through but not looking good and cant wait for.... well, what was I waiting for .

Someone please point me to an Intel thread for my next build
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Then from the educated guess you're agreeing with, that means Bulldozer will never be launched.
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Not in its current stage. AMD is fully capable of launching a SB-competitive chip, just not quite yet....
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Assumptions are being made from current AMD products plus other fake or unconfirmed Bulldozer articles. No comparison can be made until there are official clock speed data,benchmarks,and clock for clock performance (though clock for clock doesn't really matter anymore since Intel CPU's and AMD CPU's are very different).


Well I think he's wanting to know where you got your proof. Meh.. I have to read it again.
EDIT- And I quote; "bulldozer's turbo speeds cannot compete with sandy bridge's turbo speeds, and they have to create a new stepping just for that reason, then bulldozer is not as fast clock for clock as sandy bridge, therefore it is an inferior product. My guess is that bulldozer will be as fast clock for clock as nehalem, being slightly slower than sandy bridge in single threaded apps like games, but being faster in multicore applications, just like i've been saying for months.

You're saying all this like it's fact,with no solid proof that BD isn't as fast. You're just making guesses.


I said, and I quote: "...if according to the article..." preceding what you have quoted. That's what the both of you fail to acknowledge. I then proceed to say "My guess is that...", not "It is obvious that...".

And with that, I'll take my leave.
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Not in its current stage. AMD is fully capable of launching a SB-competitive chip, just not quite yet....
You really think so? Capable, sure. R&D and funds wise after they've already worked on it for 5 years? Yeah,no.
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I have the Thuban but been itching for another build. Was hoping BD would come through but not looking good and cant wait for.... well, what was I waiting for .

Someone please point me to an Intel thread for my next build
Oh no..the "I'm tired of waiting,Thuban sucks,Bulldozer's gonna suck....I'm going to Intel" has already began.

AMD is only hurting themselves now.
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post #90 of 268
I dunno, the "fake" articles around here the past few days are batting .1000 so far. They called the delay correctly so why wouldn't they also be correct in why there is a delay (i.e. performance not up to SB)?

It looks to me like AMD just needs a little more time to fine-tune its 32nm process. That sucks for everybody but it is what it is....
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