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I've long been an air cooler, and tried the switch to water some months ago. The entry fee is a bit steep. However, the lowered temps and noise, plus increased overclocking of the parts (yes, they actually did) were very nice, and worth it, I feel.

As for noise, I have more fans in my system now, and it's still quieter, because I don't have to turn them up as much. Even if I do, it's a smoother sound, and not so raucous. Since the summer hit here, the ambient temps in my room have been a bit higher (mid-high 80s F vs 68F during the colder months). My air-cooled rig is not coping with the change well, and the noise is apparent. The water rig just runs quietly, with a very slight ramp in fan speeds that is by no means annoying. Normally the loudest parts are the pumps I have, and they're on par with an earlier 7200 rpm hard drive.

Defining the worth of any upgrade is entirely intrinsic; it will depend on the person. I still enjoy air cooling when things must be inexpensive, and noise is not a factor. If all out temps and silence is preferred (I do audio recording on my machine as well), then water, to me, is a must.

Finally, for those who've mentioned large heatsinks coming off, or water leaks, I've had one occasion of a Swiftech MCX462V coming off a Socket A board. I've seen some warped motherboards as well. Heatsink weight is an issue, and I also think the self-contained water CPU coolers are a great idea for that purpose. Regarding water leaks: I've never had any. I've not been doing water cooling very long (maybe six months of it so far), but have had complete reliability out of my rig. Buy good components, ensure the O-rings are properly formed and torqued, hose clamp tubing, and the rest will work out.
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Yes,It is worth it.My max temps on air @ 4.0MHz were 62c w/aftermarket CPU cooler.Now on water my max temps are around 48c.
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Personally i would have nothing else.
Pros- Temperature.. nothing more needs to be said about that
Noise- Gpu on water changes everything
OC headroom- With low temps overclocking ability is amazing and much safer.
Looks- its pretty .

Cons
Work- takes a little time to initially setup.
Cost- Its not cheap.
Addiction- its like crack. (you end up upgrading for no reason because its just fun to tinker with)
Decision is up to you.
Price- Its not cheap

Oh note on noise My loop is a bit ridiculous but at 3.8ghz on my cpu and overclocked gpu i dont cross 38c (cpu and gpu) full load after hours of gaming, and thats with 4 fans not installed on rads and all i can hear is my HDD. (only reason cpu is only at 3.8 is because my current mobo is unstable any higher but waiting for BD like a good boy).
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Water cooling can't make things cooler than your ambient, so in that regard, it's the same as air cooling. However, water cooling is really good at decreasing the difference between the idle temperatures and the load temperatures. I spent a lot of money on liquid cooling, then went back to air when I upgraded my rig. I'm blessed with low ambients so the difference is really e-peen for me.

For me, it's really about playing games with my friends. I can game just fine on air.
post #25 of 44
If you're going for silence AND performance, water cooling is for you, I have one single rad to run all my gear with very low noise fans (I just run them at like 5V) and I still have good temps.

I can't even hear my computer, and it's 800mm away from my head (I just measured ) and I have no panels on it.

If you cool your graphics cards then it's a lot quieter, but with some of the air coolers nowadays they're getting pretty low noise anyway.

For me, It's worth it. Less noise, more headroom, room is WAY cooler in the summer, etc.
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If you're going for silence AND performance, water cooling is for you, I have one single rad to run all my gear with very low noise fans (I just run them at like 5V) and I still have good temps.

I can't even hear my computer, and it's 800mm away from my head (I just measured ) and I have no panels on it.

If you cool your graphics cards then it's a lot quieter, but with some of the air coolers nowadays they're getting pretty low noise anyway.

For me, It's worth it. Less noise, more headroom, room is WAY cooler in the summer, etc.
How is your room way cooler in the summer, your components are still producing the same heat, if not more because of over clocking and voltage increases. The only way this would be possible is if your rad was outside of your house and your summers were cold.
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How is your room way cooler in the summer, your components are still producing the same heat, if not more because of over clocking and voltage increases. The only way this would be possible is if your rad was outside of your house and your summers were cold.
That's what they say and what science says, but I know from experience, it's cooler.

Maybe because instead of putting all the hot air out of the back and then going onto my face it goes straight up into my ducted air system.
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Not really. I had a full loop and I really didn't see much differences. My full loop consisted of;

Swifty MCR320
Swifty MCR220
Swifty MCP355 w/XSPC top
Swifty GTZ
Swifty MCW60
Swifty MCRES V2

I ran pretty cool, but to be honest, compared to my H50 (push/pull) and my AXP combo, I am running about the same as far as noise/speed. Plus its a ton cheaper and less maintenance, and yes I had leaks, everyone has leaks I don't care what anyone tells you, everyone gets them at one point in time.
I've seen the eco r120 keep up with the h50 in reviews, so I consider it an equivalent in terms of cooling ability.

I had my coolit eco r120 in push/pull with GT AP-15s which kept the temps lower than just the one stock fan, and the difference from switching to water was absolutely night and day for me. I was pushing past what people consider the max on CPU temps, and had uncomfortably high core temps that would occasionally push past 55. This was with a lower overclock and without a second 6870 in the case.

After switching to a custom loop, I was able to overclock slightly higher and keep the CPU temp at far more reasonable levels. I ended up reaching hardware limitations with plenty of thermal headroom left. I'm a little over two months into water cooling, but thus far I've had no more maintenance than I had with other cooling solutions.. Dust was the biggest annoyance before switching to a custom loop and it still is. I haven't had any leaks, and I don't see it being a risk until I upgrade my loop to include more rads and GPU blocks.

Water cooling definitely isn't "necessary", but it gives you unquestionably lower temps, and more thermal headroom for OC'ing.. Results are different for everyone and I definitely think it should come as the last thing in line for upgrading, but it's an easy and efficient solution.
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Water cooling can't make things cooler than your ambient, so in that regard, it's the same as air cooling. However, water cooling is really good at decreasing the difference between the idle temperatures and the load temperatures. I spent a lot of money on liquid cooling, then went back to air when I upgraded my rig. I'm blessed with low ambients so the difference is really e-peen for me.
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Bong cooler will go less than ambient for cheaper than a good rad.
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Bong cooler will go less than ambient for cheaper than a good rad.
I haven't heard much about these since 2002-2003. A good idea, except in humid climates, as the whole system pivots on evaporation. It's a great concept, and (if memory serves) is the foundation for cooling atomic energy plants. It does require a bit of maintenance (mostly water, and sometimes cleaning mold/mildew out). But I've heard of them going about 6 degrees (max) below ambient, which is still a feat.

I'd love to see more builds with this going on.
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