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Just started working with a Linux distro, well I will cut the "jive" and say it is because I am required, no other reason. I ask, is there a way I can eleminate or at least reduce the number of times I am asked for my root password ? A guy can't even go modify his network connections or his firewall with giving this "authentication". I am talking about a home situation where I am the only one using the machine and I simply do not need this level of protection forced upon me. I do find it a bit odd that Linux is all about choice,well hopefully I have a choice in this matter. I can remember back when Vista came out and people howled endlessly about how invasive UAC was. I must say I did have to chuckle when I found a worse situation with Fedora 14.
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Just started working with a Linux distro, well I will cut the "jive" and say it is because I am required, no other reason. I ask, is there a way I can eleminate or at least reduce the number of times I am asked for my root password ? A guy can't even go modify his network connections or his firewall with giving this "authentication". I am talking about a home situation where I am the only one using the machine and I simply do not need this level of protection forced upon me. I do find it a bit odd that Linux is all about choice,well hopefully I have a choice in this matter. I can remember back when Vista came out and people howled endlessly about how invasive UAC was. I must say I did have to chuckle when I found a worse situation with Fedora 14.
thats linux

you COULD run as root... but its quite stupid... its a huge security problem if you run as root, that is one reason linux is more secure (although you can do this in windows now)

one thing you could do is just learn your command line usage more regular use and stuff can be on your user account, and when you need root permissions to do some system administration you can su to root and be root JUST in that terminal, its less of a security problem that way

there are some other things you can do... but really you are compromising system security far too much if you go around it entirely
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Sounds like he may be doing this for school. OP (PCCstudent), is this the case? If so, just login as root and get your work done. Good luck in school!
    
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use sudo, then you don't have to switch back and forth. Also you might be able to setup the time that your sudo permission keeps for before you enter the password. For example in ubuntu: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=183418
     
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I am working with Fedora simply to become more aware of the ins and outs of one of the distros. It would not be right for me to be one that sings the praise of a distro just becaquse it seems to be the thing of the day to do (phony Linux users) or would it be right for me to just say "it sucks" unless I can point out that it suffers to even a greater degree from an issue that was one of the nails in Vistas coffin. I will be using a version of Unix next year in a Network Administration capacity so I thought I would take a look at the face a Linux distro shows the public.Our textbook will be called "Running Linux".

I am the guy who asked his introductory UNIX/Linux instructor( 2 semesters ago) for install tips and he replied "I can teach you how to use it (like using vi) but for getting things done I am a Windows man".(the guy holds a PHd and has taught the introductory Linux class at my school for over 5 years).
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network administration?

id say learn to deal with using sudo or switching over to root with su to do administrative tasks then with fedora youll have to set sudo up manually though, su works just fine cause you set a root password during the install

if you cant handle something as silly as it asking for your password where it obviously should (editing system configuration files for networking from the looks of what you said) then maybe linux administration isnt right for you
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You did say one thing correct, it is silly to be asked for a password to edit your network connections.This is not the server version of Fedora.People have been editing network connections and firewall settings for many years with Windows at home and we do not have any reported injuries.You Linux users actualy think this level of intrusiveness is a good thing? the two sides shall never meet. You have to give a guy a choice about this stuff and I thought choice was the Linux calling card.I want an OS that doesn't bother me with password requests(unless I decide that is the way I want it) or ask me over and over "do you really want to do this"?
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You did say one thing correct, it is silly to be asked for a password to edit your network connections.This is not the server version of Fedora.People have been editing network connections and firewall settings for many years with Windows at home and we do not have any reported injuries.You Linux users actualy think this level of intrusiveness is a good thing? the two sides shall never meet. You have to give a guy a choice about this stuff and I thought choice was the Linux calling card.I want an OS that doesn't bother me with password requests(unless I decide that is the way I want it) or ask me over and over "do you really want to do this"?

any version of linux is essentially the same, a desktop version can be used as a server if you so wish it...

the reason windows allows you to do that sort of stuff is because your default user account is an administrator and its a huge security flaw that microsoft has tried to fix in later versions of windows (although it wasnt received well)

editing network connections edits system setting files for your connection in the /etc directory, it IS an administrative task, and so is editing firewall settings

if you want to be a network administrator i believe you should take some responsibility and learn how linux permissions work, why they work that way, and why you shouldnt be complaining about something like that

this isnt windows, linux does its own thing and it does it well

you were already given the highly insecure solution of using the root account for every day use, if you want to compromise most of the security features linux offers go ahead and do that but as far as being a network administrator goes... unless you want to learn why this is a stupid option, i suggest you pick a different career choice
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All I need to do is repeat what you said "and it wasn't recieved well". I will add, and for good reason also. People do not want this intrusiveness in their home setting. Business setting,well that is not the question today.

The intrusiveness of UAC in Vista turned out to be a major problem in getting the OS accepted, I conclude just a lot of silly people with pointless complaints.
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All I need to do is repeat what you said "and it wasn't recieved well". I will add, and for good reason also. People do not want this intrusiveness in their home setting.
You can choose between ease of use or security. The two are, by definition, mutually exclusive.

However, what GUI does Fedora 14 use? Gnome? KDE? Either of them should allow you to authenticate yourself as an admin for a period of time.
Edited by Bluescreen_Of_Death - 6/2/11 at 11:54pm
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