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I currently have a Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2040u
overall maximum 1800x1350*85hz
maximum resolution 2048x1536@75hz


Viewable resolution is just shy of 20.25 inches (12.25 inch vertical by 16.25 horizontal).
Full diagonal size is 26 inches (17.5 inch vertical by 19.5 inch horizontal by 18 inch depth) and it weighs 68 pounds.
19.25inch height including stand.

These are all actual measurements taken by myself.

Can you believe I bought this thing for 35$ off of craigslist?

Anyway I'm thinking about buying a LCD/LED panel for myself.
OLED is just going to take another 3 years at least so that's out of the question.
Personally I need something that can compete with this CRT but not cost too ****ing much. I'm not sure this is even possible.
I'd like to spend about 200 or less but I'll go as high as 300ish.

What I think I want for myself is a 120hz panel:
http://www.digitalversus.com/acer-gd...7_7352_38.html

As I'll be doing a 34% reduction in pixels I can only assume my frame rate is going to be even more ridiculously high.
3145728-(3145728*0.3408203125)=2073600
Currently my FPS is a MINIMUM of 110 in L4D2 with maximum settings and well over 60fps in several other games. (Also I'm planning on doing a sandy bridge or bulldozer upgrade in a month or 2 depending on which is faster.)

What I originally wanted from a monitor was a large size, very good colors, great brightness, very good contrast, and very sharp.
Obviously I do not want to deal with any degradation in quality in the conversion either....like ghosting or dead pixels etc.

According to the formula here I'd need a 25inch screen to maintain my current spoiled level of vertical size but considering I'd have to put up with a decrease in "pixel density" or as i call it dot pitch (old school) I think I'll aim for a 23-24 inch instead.
http://www.silisoftware.com/tools/sc...ge_height=1050

Please point out any misconceptions I have here or point me to any reviews etc for monitors.
The thing that is really going to make me worry is not having seen one of these 120hz monitors in action before buying it.
That is to say if I could even find one at a best buy (who even carries these!?) it almost certainly would not be hooked up to a FPS game.....
    
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any LED backlit monitor, with 1200p res, would be great. i lean towards LG, but acer has great prices.
Find something with a contrast ratio above 800,000:1 , and a 2ms gtg response time.
Most backlit monitors are sporting mega contrast ratios...
dude, i always piss myself laughing when i see gamers with CRTs... gawwddd....
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any LED backlit monitor, with 1200p res, would be great. i lean towards LG, but acer has great prices.
Find something with a contrast ratio above 800,000:1 , and a 2ms gtg response time.
Most backlit monitors are sporting mega contrast ratios...
dude, i always piss myself laughing when i see gamers with CRTs... gawwddd....
That's because you are QUITE affected by marketing.


1: LED is a gimmick and most often a downside.

2: 1200p res is quite low. Even my 17" mid end CRT does more than that comfortably.

3: Advertised Contrast ratios are advertising lies. They matter in no way whatsoever, especially when they are dynamic.

4: Response times are also a marketing lie. They matter in no way whatsoever, since the real numbers are like 10-30ms. (colour to colour)

5: CRTs still beat every LCD in some areas of performance. The GOOD ones provide sharper image, better colours, flat surface, no ghosting, no input lag, and refresh rates above 120hz, like mine does 170hz. Higher resolutions per size. Because of this monitor , I rarely use my side monitors (LCD) anymore because they look like crap in comparison.

6: CRTs are better for fast paced gaming, due to a number of features I am too lazy to list, but will do if you ask me to.

If you have allowed yourself to believe that CRTs are worse just because they are older, I feel sorry for you. You have obviously never seen a good one.
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Honestly I think the only real reason I have to shift to LCD is for widescreen only games...I have this gut feeling that the industry is definitely going to irreversably shift in that direction.
Also my CRT is about 10 years old...I don't know how much longer it can last so I figure I at least better start doing my research now just in case.
    
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Honestly I think the only real reason I have to shift to LCD is for widescreen only games...I have this gut feeling that the industry is definitely going to irreversably shift in that direction.
Also my CRT is about 10 years old...I don't know how much longer it can last so I figure I at least better start doing my research now just in case.
Well, there are some 16:10 CRTs. Shouldn't that be a good choice, since it provides both?
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With a $200-300 budget, I'd go with a HP ZR22w or Dell U2211H.
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Make sure you get one with gamma adjustments. LCD isn't bad, but no gamma adjustment means you rely on software, and it doesn't work as good and quite a few of them don't have it..

Make sure you can test them out as well, as coming from CRT input lag will be killer on certain models. And yeah, stay away from LED backlit displays. They are junk, unless using the full RGB backlight array. Edge lit is just junk.
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Well, there are some 16:10 CRTs. Shouldn't that be a good choice, since it provides both?
16:9 is the new 16:10 which was the new 4:3.
In other words there is little point in buying a 16:10 at this stage.

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With a $200-300 budget, I'd go with a HP ZR22w or Dell U2211H.
I've considered the dell a few times now...though I think the response times won't be good enough for me.
I haven't read any reviews on the HP yet.
Review not yet available:
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/revie...tml?c=1&id=553
    
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That's because you are QUITE affected by marketing.


1: LED is a gimmick and most often a downside.

2: 1200p res is quite low. Even my 17" mid end CRT does more than that comfortably.

3: Advertised Contrast ratios are advertising lies. They matter in no way whatsoever, especially when they are dynamic.

4: Response times are also a marketing lie. They matter in no way whatsoever, since the real numbers are like 10-30ms. (colour to colour)

5: CRTs still beat every LCD in some areas of performance. The GOOD ones provide sharper image, better colours, flat surface, no ghosting, no input lag, and refresh rates above 120hz, like mine does 170hz. Higher resolutions per size. Because of this monitor , I rarely use my side monitors (LCD) anymore because they look like crap in comparison.

6: CRTs are better for fast paced gaming, due to a number of features I am too lazy to list, but will do if you ask me to.

If you have allowed yourself to believe that CRTs are worse just because they are older, I feel sorry for you. You have obviously never seen a good one.
Does your CRT come with a free Dinosaur Egg? lolumad


btw, the LED backlits I have here at work (i have about 8 pairs of them) work great.... very sharp picture.

Every CRT i have ever seen weighs 1000 pounds and looks ugly as sh**
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16:9 is the new 16:10 which was the new 4:3.
In other words there is little point in buying a 16:10 at this stage.
What basis for this statement? What makes 16:9 so inherently superior, especially when you have a change (though most likely not going to fit your budget, unless you find a good deal) to get a GOOD 16:10 CRT?


In games, 16:10 vs 16:9 doesn't matter that much. Only 0.5% of games support 16:9 better than 16:10.

The only downside of 16:10 is in TV shows, and movies, since there are black bars


There really is no point in demanding 16:9. Whatever the 16:9 fans on OCN say, it's not more supported, it's not inherently better for games, it's nothing really better. It's just another aspect ratio, get over it.


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Does your CRT come with a free Dinosaur Egg? lolumad


btw, the LED backlits I have here at work (i have about 8 pairs of them) work great.... very sharp picture.
Yes, it actually did came with a free dinosaur egg. I grew the little 'saurus and ate him when he was ready for it. I ate him RAWWWW..

The LED backlits you have there look good to you because you have NEVER seen anything better. Not even high quality IPS. You're so used to seeing everything look like crap that you just can't imagine better. That's why they look good. They have terrible backlight bleeding, blue tint on dark scenes, they have a LOW pixel density, a horribly low resolution, and ghost a lot, etc. I could go on and on about how they are inferior but I won't. The ONLY upside of your monitors is physical appearance.
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[W7] [HP LP3065 - CrossOver 27Q LED-P - Acer x243w] Ducky DK1087-CELLB Tenkeyless, MX Blue - Steels... [LC power 750W] 
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[ATH-A700] + [Asus Xonar DG] 
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[i7 860] [XFX 5870] [4x2gb] [WD 500gb] 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
[W7] [HP LP3065 - CrossOver 27Q LED-P - Acer x243w] Ducky DK1087-CELLB Tenkeyless, MX Blue - Steels... [LC power 750W] 
Audio
[ATH-A700] + [Asus Xonar DG] 
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