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I would keep this sensitive piece of electronic equipment in the most benign,controled environment possible. It is not a bench grinder we are talking about here. Unless you bought the industrial grade unit it was designed to be in a very controlled environment as far as temp, humidity, dust, dirt in the air. This unit belongs in the house, in an Air Conditioned room.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 8ight;13719094 
Not if it's a "real" server. They are meant to be in the AC.

Not really. In fact, if anything, most servers are overcooling (sometimes even dangerously so - air that's too cold can do more harm than good).

Having said that, 100F inlet temps are really on the 'too high' side. Keeping to 82-86F, even pushing 90F, is much better for the hardware.
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Well Beast you are odd man out on this one,as one out of the ten or so answers says over 20C. No one is claiming too cold and some spec 50F. Google states 80F is their standard
http://serverfault.com/questions/11145/what-is-the-correct-temperature-for-a-server-room

I have a 4U sitting about 2 feet from me, and the last time I checked I am in the house.
Edited by PCCstudent - 6/2/11 at 10:56am
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kujon;13718412 
i live in north california so it's dry heat. it never gets moist in the garage

Dry heat in northern california? Are you out in the desert or something? I am in the Santa Cruz mountains which is near rain forest conditions most of the year...
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Originally Posted by MahiMahiMahi;13718506 
Make sure you have plenty of dust protection. You should be careful to not trip any of the sockets. Garage sockets are always hooked up on a GFI circuit which will trip at 15 amps. Make sure you have backup power.

Not all garages have GFI circuits. That is a fairly recent code restriction and none of the houses I have ever lived in have them in the garage.
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Originally Posted by kujon;13719029 
i guess it would be a little hard to keep something like this inside the house rpc4220ff.jpg

i mostly wanted to keep it in teh garage since it seems like a good spot to keep it out of site (noise)

I have a smaller version of that chassis installed in my desk...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PCCstudent;13725185 
Well Beast you are odd man out on this one,as one out of the ten or so answers says under 20C. No one is claiming too cold and some spec 50F. Google states 80F is their standard
http://serverfault.com/questions/11145/what-is-the-correct-temperature-for-a-server-room

The temps I listed are the upper end of what I would consider reasonable for this server to run at during the summer months for this case - which is different to how I would actually set up the room temps in a DC.

Which is actually what I do for a living - setting up datacentres of various sizes to run as efficiently as possible without causing issues with any of the kit. I have around 8MW of IT kit that I directly influence the air inlet temperatures for - I'm not talking about little server rooms in the back of your office space here, I'm talking full-blown Tier III/IV facilities. Inlet temps of 25-28C are fairly standard, although actually still lower than required for a lot of kit. Generally the only thing stopping us putting the temps up more is executives who want to show off their facility that believe the IT halls should be cold - in some centres we run the halls hot, and only cool them down when visits are taking place for this reason.
post #26 of 50
BTW: I have also installed small servers in outside NEMA boxes with only air filters. They are subject to varied temps and humidity levels as well as some pests (ants, spiders, etc.). While this is not normal, it is done in certain locations where an inside server room is not available. They do require constant maintenance to prevent fan failures and corrosion problems. I had my home server in my motorcycle garage for years until it died and I was too lazy to upgrade my 15 amp circuit to 20 amps. That thing would get up to about 100 degrees in the summer and high humidity in the winter.
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post #27 of 50
My Server 2008 instructor was explaining virtuialization and the benefits of such. One of the benefits was how there would be less heat to deal with in the server room(meaning less AC and thusly less electricity to cool the room). I am sure that 80F figure cited by how google likes their data center is to say the least for a room that is "fairly large".
I am willing to look over any data you can present about prefered server room temps, as you know I do have an eye for data and will be fair.

There seems to be an extreme difference of opinion on this subject,with many of the numbers comming from experts
http://ask.slashdot.org/story/02/10/25/2315218/Whats-the-Proper-Temperature-for-a-Server-Room

Many servers are rated and tested for the higher temps but when a poorly designed room developes a hot spot or a unit at the end of the rack has its temperature too high it is time to lower the room temp overall.

You are correct about one thing, the first time upper management has to come down and check out why a unit is offline that room better be cold. I ask if you are willing to write the check for new equipment because you thought it was too cold in the room,electricity is cheap compared to new hardware. We have a saying over here in the states,lets see if you can find my context "No one ever got fired buying gear from IBM".I will make it easy for you, go big or go home.(meaning a crusade to keep the server room hot is not a well supported career move).

This is a link to a large study that does agree data centers are kept too cold, by http://knol.google.com/k/anonymous/how-data-centers-are-kept-cool/187a6z7rnld7y/2#
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post #28 of 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by MahiMahiMahi;13718506 
You should be careful to not trip any of the sockets. Garage sockets are always hooked up on a GFI circuit which will trip at 15 amps.

15a x 120v = 1800w

He's pulling 1800w from the wall with a server?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PCCstudent;13726647 
You are correct about one thing, the first time upper management has to come down and check out why a unit is offline that room better be cold. I ask if you are willing to write the check for new equipment because you thought it was too cold in the room,electricity is cheap compared to new hardware. We have a saying over here in the states,lets see if you can find my context "No one ever got fired buying gear from IBM".I will make it easy for you, go big or go home.(meaning a crusade to keep the server room hot is not a well supported career move).

I'll write more of a proper response later (I have a report I need to finish so no time now).

Regarding the electricity - we spent around $25M on electricity last year. Over half of that is on cooling and other support services (mainly UPS losses), and there is a huge pressure to reduce that sum.

And one more thing - I would get fired for buying IBM. They used to be our largest competitor...
post #30 of 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by justarealguy;13726666 
15a x 120v = 1800w

He's pulling 1800w from the wall with a server?

A 15 amp surge is very easy to do. I'm not talking about the server, I am talking about the garages GFI outlets. If one trips, the whole circuit goes down. Fridges often cause them to trip, and any large spike of power can cause it to trip. Air compressors cause the breakers to trip too. 1800 Watts is very easy to pull in a garage. If the OP doesn't have any power sucking things hooked up to the circuit, then there is nothing to worry about.
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