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Originally Posted by HAF_wit View Post
Not to get in the way of flames or anything, but why wouldn't Dell or HP use bulldozer CPU's in their desktops? AFAIK, the Llano chips are for mobile computing - BD for desktop applications. (Let's not forget that the high-end chips still have a home for alienware users, which Dell owns.)

I personally don't care what the reason for the push back is, I buy what performs the best within a time-frame, not by the brand. Hopefully bulldozer rocks our socks, but if it doesn't, I can see the SB-E pulling in many enthusiasts.
If Bulldozer is good,it may be like Athlon 64,Intel forced OEM's to not use AMD CPU's.
I thought the Computex AMD slide states that Llano was for mobile,and mainstream desktop?
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If Bulldozer is good,it may be like Athlon 64,Intel forced OEM's to not use AMD CPU's.
I thought the Computex AMD slide states that Llano was for mobile,and mainstream desktop?
I honestly don't remember if he stated desktop or not. The constant disconnects were really distracting. I don't see Intel pulling a stunt like that again as it is definitely grounds for an anti-trust lawsuit from AMD. They might have the money for it, but with as much tech that's coming up in the near future, I doubt they would want to take those R&D dollars and have to sink them into a costly suit. Definitely some exciting stuff coming up in the next couple months!
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On the bright side...
They are focusing on the market that makes them the most money.
Which would eventually translate into better enthusiast products.
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Oh yeah because AMD pushing Llano first,which will cover most of the market,then roll out Bulldozer for the enthusiasts afterwards,is such PR spin.
You still don't get it? It would just be plain stupid to release Bulldozer before Llano. You won't see any of the OEM's such as Dell,HP,Toshiba,or Acer using Bulldozer. AMD most likely produced more Llano APU's,now they need time to manufacture enough Bulldozer cores.
Nope,Bulldozer just sucks it's all BS and lies.
ASTOUNDINGLY, I didn't observe any AMD fanboys saying it would be "plain stupid" to release Bulldozer prior to Llano...

back when that was exactly what AMD was supposedly going to do.

By your own admisson, the Llano and Bulldozer markets shouldn't overlap much, so could you enumerate exactly why it would be stupid to release Bulldozer first?

... (I won't hold my breath. For a rational reply, or for Bulldozer.)
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Originally Posted by Soggy_Popcorn View Post
ASTOUNDINGLY, I didn't observe any AMD fanboys saying it would be "plain stupid" to release Bulldozer prior to Llano...

back when that was exactly what AMD was supposedly going to do.

By your own admisson, the Llano and Bulldozer markets shouldn't overlap much, so could you enumerate exactly why it would be stupid to release Bulldozer first?

... (I won't hold my breath. For a rational reply, or for Bulldozer.)
The market shouldn't overlap at all,Llano is budget and mainstream,Bulldozer is for performance and enthusiasts.
Did you not read my post?
AMD will release Llano first because it's what will make them the most money.
Llano will sell to a larger market,so AMD will gain market share more quickly than selling BD first.
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The A series llano chips will have a desktop component. It will be paired with the FM1 chipset. Some boards have been pictured recently. OEMs will surely buy top teir llano CPUs over the 4 core FX processor + dedicated GPU in 90% of their pre-builts because of the reduced cost.

AMD has had a lot of success and sold out some of their low tier APUs so they may have moved bulldozer back because they didn't have enough capacity at Global Foundaries to ramp llano AND bulldozer hard.

Though, I still think the best explanation for the delay is some sort of bug/issue in the manufacturing they recently discovered that can be fixed with the next spin.

If the whole design was bad and slow then why is server still on time? Remember server bulldozers (Opteron) will compete with the new Xeons (will be at least as fast as SB-E).
Edited by JCPUser - 6/3/11 at 2:19am
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What a load of BS. How exactly would one product affect the other?

Meh, at this rate, it looks like a Q4 2011/Q1 2012 launch at best for the Bulldozers (maybe they'll go straight for the Enhanced Bulldozer). If they really are having the performance issues with the early stepping Bulldozers (which is what I'm suspecting) then they'll either have to postpone it until it has decent performance or we're gonna be looking at another early first gen Phenom X4 release, which will be a fail. Nice fail AMD, yeah it was all "planned". It's a good thing I'm not planning to build a new PC this year, because anyone that was and is waiting for the Bulldozer is gonna be pissed off to say the least.
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Intel also purposely messed the chipset for SB on launch to get extra press.
So they purposely did something that cost them $1,000,000,000 to fix?
LMAO. I love these conspiracy theories. More please.
    
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post #79 of 96
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What a load of BS. How exactly would one product affect the other?
Not saying I believe the press, however Global Foundries has a fixed capacity. IF AMD decided that they would be better off (i.e. will make more money) by dedicating nearly 100% of capacity to Llano then bulldozer production would be delayed.

It is plausible.
post #80 of 96
Llano is not really competitive against SB performance wise, it's just more power eifficient, which doesn't matter too much on a desktop. I fail to see how BD can affect Llano's sales. I think they are probably having problem with yields again, AMD is always pushing the envelope in terms of design, but the downside is the chip is incredibly complicated. They might as well wait for 32nm before launching this. Seeing that the Phenom didn't do so well until the die shrink.
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