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post #11 of 34
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Originally Posted by JCPUser;13766715 
Moved this from the repost thread...

If server is on time and set for July then the performance "issues" may have been nothing but a myth. Those server chips will need to compete with the new SB based Xeons Intel will release. They can't have poor performance or AMD will lose bad in the market where bulldozer makes the most sense... server

The server chips being on time does not mean they are not having clock issues. Server chips are generally not clocked as high as high end desktop parts anyway. This is because you generally lose power efficiency with higher clock speeds. It is likely that AMD is counting on high clock speeds (say more than 4 ghz) to be competitive in the consumer market (price/performance) but does not need (or want them) in the server market where it is more about price/power efficiency (where their flagship chip might be closer to 3.5 ghz).

Anyway, like I said before, I don't think it's a huge deal. That being said, it is hilarious the different treatments that some of the companies get for stuff like this.
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post #12 of 34
lol almost in time for sb-e
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post #13 of 34
I don't buy it for a minute. It is MUCH more likely that they were having problems hitting high enough clock speeds to launch competitive parts. Otherwise there is no way they would be delaying the launch, and make no mistake this isn't just a "flip" it is a delay, otherwise.
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The server chips being on time does not mean they are not having clock issues. Server chips are generally not clocked as high as high end desktop parts anyway. This is because you generally lose power efficiency with higher clock speeds. It is likely that AMD is counting on high clock speeds (say more than 4 ghz) to be competitive in the consumer market (price/performance) but does not need (or want them) in the server market where it is more about price/power efficiency (where their flagship chip might be closer to 3.5 ghz).

Anyway, like I said before, I don't think it's a huge deal. That being said, it is hilarious the different treatments that some of the companies get for stuff like this.
It certainly is. You are dead on.
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post #14 of 34
Server chips are hitting the clocks that I am expecting. This is a scheduling issue, not a technical issue. The internet rumor mill is on full strength right now, it does not need to be.
post #15 of 34
why would the boards be 30 days out when they are already out?
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post #16 of 34
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Server chips are hitting the clocks that I am expecting. This is a scheduling issue, not a technical issue. The internet rumor mill is on full strength right now, it does not need to be.
I know you have to toe the party line and I don't expect a real answer to this but if it isn't a technical issue, rather a scheduling issue, what exactly prompted the change? It seems rather last minute. If not technical then what?

Remember that silence speaks louder than any answer given.
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post #17 of 34
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I know you have to toe the party line and I don't expect a real answer to this but if it isn't a technical issue, rather a scheduling issue, what exactly prompted the change? It seems rather last minute. If not technical then what?

Remember that silence speaks louder than any answer given.
It is not too hard to guess why they would change the schedule. Llano and BD use the same process and Global Foundries has a fixed amount of capacity that AMD is contracted for manufacturing their products.

Given that the AMD APUs already on the market (Zacate) have sold out in many cases, AMD may have reduced bulldozer production in favor of Llano. Computex was all about the APU and Llano is launching early (mid-June rather than Q3).

The above is plausible, however given that we were not told anything until after the rumors began it is very hard to believe AMD.
Edited by JCPUser - 6/6/11 at 1:42am
post #18 of 34
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It is not too hard to guess why they would change the schedule. Llano and BD use the same process and Global Foundries has a fixed amount of capacity that AMD is contracted for manufacturing their products.

Given that the AMD APUs already on the market (Zacate) have sold out in many cases, AMD may have reduced bulldozer production in favor of Llano. Computex was all about the APU and Llano is launching early (mid-June rather than Q3).

The above is plausible, however given that we were not told anything until after the rumors began it is very hard to believe AMD.
To be clear no one is rooting for AMD as much as I am. Well, except for maybe the people working their and the stock holders. When you have one market success, like Zacate has been, you follow it up with your next product, Llano. They are all fusion designs. Even if they had to launch with limited quantities AMD would have released on time if they were hitting desired performance numbers. Mind-share is important in this industry and delaying a product like this shakes consumer's faith. Its a bad sign and something AMD really doesn't need.

I'd like to hear AMD come out and give a good reason for this. Its one thing to say it is a "scheduling" issue, it is another to say what prompted this scheduling change. Remember, these statements came out after the news had been leaked, they are doing damage control.

The timing on a new revision also fits. It is funny because I have always defended Charlie's reporting, he has been right on a lot of things, but he is really handling AMD with kid gloves here.

In the end I really hope AMD has a successful launch with Bulldozer. I love their Zacate products, I am currently pushing laptops based around the E-350 for the $500 and under range, and I am really looking forward to Sabine. I would love for my next personal build to be based around an AMD processor again.
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Lol, favoring servers instead of desktops ? I bet it'll be a big cry if any of their desktop chips can't beat even 2500k.

As for me, the chances ill switch to intel is getting bigger, thou it's not gonna happen until 2012 which is Ivy's year
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Wouldn't AMD want to wait a little longer to reserve more chips with lower leakage and use them on the server market? Then again server chips are usually clocked lower (on the core) and consume less power (partially due to binning I'd imagine).
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