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Le que ma toiletto papirous?
English, per TOS, please.
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English, per TOS, please.
Exactly...
I don't even used a language, I just typed "sound like" words.
I don't, didn't and don't wanna get a EULA in paper form just because I didn't get one when I bought mine.
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post #133 of 185
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I do not, I just don't understand how anyone can support a group that is intentionally stealing information from perfectly good people. Draw the line, these attacks on Sony are harming good people.
The argument as to whether Sony's actions were just and the argument whether the hackers actions are just aren't the same and must be separated. Sure, they may say Sony's actions caused them to retaliate, but that doesn't validate either parties actions.
post #134 of 185
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No, you're missing the entire point behind it all. The original modders for the XBox firmaware couldn't be sued because they built THEIR OWN FIRMWARE rather than hacking Microsoft's.
Wrong, wrong, and more full of WRONG!.

They built the hacked dashboards off the original code, so they stole the code and then used it. They had to do this, so that certain things still worked. You know how long it would have taken to re-write the entire code base for the dashboard? Not to mention the only way they are able to do it is by using an illegal SDK. The dashboards themselves are illegal, hence why they were always distributed on an FTP that MS can't get shut down. They just covered their illegal tracks more by not allowing MS to sniff around. If Hotz would have used a file sharing service or FTP server that Sony can't send legal papers too he would have never been sued. It's just that simple, there is no legality behind Xbox modding.
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post #135 of 185
lawl...plus some folks are raging.

Sony needs to improve their security systems all around.
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The argument as to whether Sony's actions were just and the argument whether the hackers actions are just aren't the same and must be separated. Sure, they may say Sony's actions caused them to retaliate, but that doesn't validate either parties actions.
As previously stated, I could care less where Sony ends up in all of this. If they get sued or what, doesn't matter to me.

All I'm trying to say, is that I do not understand how anyone is straight up supporting the hackers.
    
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...Who cares what it's signed in? YOU agreed to it, didn't you?

You're signing a EULA that says: Our intellectual property is ours, you can't build on it, edit it or change it in any way. WE copyrighted it, WE wrote it and we're asking you to respect that.
And we all know the EULAs are a bunch of horsecrap that no one cares about and have no real legal powers. Sony can get bent.
    
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As previously stated, I could care less where Sony ends up in all of this. If they get sued or what, doesn't matter to me.

All I'm trying to say, is that I do not understand how anyone is straight up supporting the hackers.
Yeah I'm not supporting them either, it's just so hard to follow any arguments in this thread because people are debating Sony's actions and the hackers actions at the same time.
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And because Copyright Law has never gotten in the way of genuine advancement. Ever, right?

Hacking data and hacking firmware are two different things. Totally different things.

I wouldn't call you ignorant, just wilfully negligent of valid opinions.

It's like Android phones. HTC just finally allowed their bootloaders to be unlocked, which means they're giving the go ahead for people loading custom ROM's onto their devices. Initially, they were suing people for hacking their HTC Sense firmwares, they stopped that also. At the end of the day, HTC sell phones, not software. So if people are using a HTC phone that's all that matters.

In this case, Sony sell PS3's and Videogames. So long as no-one is pirating their games, what damn should they give if people hack their console to run homebrew firmwares? Who gives a toss if someone puts Linux on their PS3 and runs it like a desktop PC? That's a PS3 sale, at the end of the day. Their big problem should have been pirated games, and since Geohot didn't allow pirated content and simply published copyrighted content on the web. Yet they wanted blood and they thought they could sue anyone running custom firmware (asking for paypal and youtube addresses) and that was just complete bull. THAT'S why people are very unsympathetic for Sony at the moment. That and the fact that their security was pants on head stupid. Plaintext credit card details. Random integers that happens to be the same each time? Seems more like someone was pissed off at Sony HQ due to their own bungles and wanted someone else to pay. Who's at fault? Geohot, or the Sony engineer who concocted the idea of using the same "random" number each time? Is it geohots fault that anyone can sign content with Sony's Private Key?

Pfft. It's ok citing copyright and trying to get on the morally obliged brigade. but that doesn't exactly serve you well when you're talking to tech enthusiasts. Under your same ideas, people unlocking cores on their AMD CPU's are free game to being sued?
As an Admin, I see this issue being extremely black and white, there is no gray.

Sony's EULA clearly states that if you alter the software in any way, modify it or edit it beyond it's original function, they have the right to "ban" you from their networks.

If you maliciously alter their software and distribute it, they have the right to prosecute you. If you do indeed change their software and distribute it, you're responsible for damages.

I don't care what/how you attempt to rationalize this policy with, the rules are the rules and they exist to protect the father company.

If you take and change copywritten material, that's against the law...That's why we have copyrights and copyright infringement.

Geohot broke the law...A group of hackers felt it was unjustified and again broke the law...These hackers continue to break the law.

It doesn't matter how/if Sony ecrypts their data, they're not breaking the law by NOT encrypting their data. Is it stupid not to? Absolutely, couldn't agree with you more BUT, they're not legally forced to encrypt user end data in any form or function.

I'm also a former employee of SOE and in fact, some of my personal data was stolen FYI...I don't blame Sony, I blame the hackers responsible.

Again, I'm an admin and as such, I see things in a very black/white spectrum...I would NEVER not encrypt end user data, for me that's stupid but, there's absolutely no law saying I have to. It simply says I must protect it...Which can be defined as a firewall.

Sony did NOT break the law no matter how morally responsible you feel they are...The hackers did. Period.
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As an Admin, I see this issue being extremely black and white, there is no gray.

Sony's EULA clearly states that if you alter the software in any way, modify it or edit it beyond it's original function, they have the right to "ban" you from their networks.

If you maliciously alter their software and distribute it, they have the right to prosecute you. If you do indeed change their software and distribute it, you're responsible for damages.

I don't care what/how you attempt to rationalize this policy with, the rules are the rules and they exist to protect the father company.

If you take and change copywritten material, that's against the law...That's why we have copyrights and copyright infringement.

Geohot broke the law...A group of hackers felt it was unjustified and again broke the law...These hackers continue to break the law.

It doesn't matter how/if Sony ecrypts their data, they're not breaking the law by NOT encrypting their data. Is it stupid not to? Absolutely, couldn't agree with you more BUT, they're not legally forced to encrypt user end date in any form or function.

I'm also a former employee of SOE and in fact, some of my personal data was stolen FYI...I don't blame Sony, I blame the hackers responsible.

Again, I'm an admin and as such, I see things in a very black/white spectrum...I would NEVER not encrypt end user data, for me that's stupid but, there's absolutely no law saying I have to. It simply says I must protect it...Which can be defined as a firewall.

Sony did NOT break the law no matter how morally responsible you feel they are...The hackers did. Period.
The law out weighs their TOS and laws regarding the jailbreaking of iPhone should have extended to this. The device is your device do what with what you please, they can ban you from their servers but they should have no right to attack you for making changes to your own device. If I take my desk and add a keyboard tray should the company be allowed to sue me for "modding" their device? Especially because Geohot was not working to infringe on copyright he wanted to run Linux on his device.
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