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The law out weighs their TOS and laws regarding the jailbreaking of iPhone should have extended to this. The device is your device do what with what you please, they can ban you from their servers but they should have no right to attack you for making changes to your own device. If I take my desk and add a keyboard tray should the company be allowed to sue me for "modding" their device? Especially because Geohot was not working to infringe on copyright he wanted to run Linux on his device.
They could sue you if you distributed the plans for said desk mod, and people hurt themselves using said mod. Your example is flawed anyways, software can not be directly associated with a tangible object, since it is technically something that is intangible. Your keyboard tray / desk example involving a PS3 would be more like, if geohot invented a peripheral for the PS3, then Sony would really have no leg to stand on. The laws he broke were regarding software, not the actual hardware in his possession.

TLDR; Your example is flawed as it does not compare apples to apples. And really Sony, you would think they would've looked over their entire network for the same flaw that was found in the PS3.
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They could sue you if you distributed the plans for said desk mod, and people hurt themselves using said mod. Your example is flawed anyways, software can not be directly associated with a tangible object, since it is technically something that is intangible. Your keyboard tray / desk example involving a PS3 would be more like, if geohot invented a peripheral for the PS3, then Sony would really have no leg to stand on. The laws he broke were regarding software, not the actual hardware in his possession.

TLDR; Your example is flawed as it does not compare apples to apples. And really Sony, you would think they would've looked over their entire network for the same flaw that was found in the PS3.
Fine not comparing apples to oranges, jailbreaking is legal.
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post #143 of 185
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The law out weighs their TOS and laws regarding the jailbreaking of iPhone should have extended to this. The device is your device do what with what you please, they can ban you from their servers but they should have no right to attack you for making changes to your own device. If I take my desk and add a keyboard tray should the company be allowed to sue me for "modding" their device? Especially because Geohot was not working to infringe on copyright he wanted to run Linux on his device.
When purchasing the Iphone you sign a licensing agreement so, yes; if you signed the user end of that contract and agreed to their rules/stipulations, most definitely.

The major difference that you're failing to mention is Geohot did not just "jailbreak" his own device...He modified software that was copyrighted AND distributed it...Thus, breaking the law and SOE's ToS.

If he had JUST modified his own device, I doubt anyone would've cared...His personal distribution of "hacked" copy-written material was what originally started this entire fiasco.

If you took that desk, modified it and freely gave them away as well as plans to do so, I believe you'd most certainly be sued by the father company, absolutely because you're taking THEIR intellectual property and modifying it for personal gain no matter what that gain is.
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When purchasing the Iphone you sign a licensing agreement so, yes; if you signed the user end of that contract and agreed to their rules/stipulations, most definitely.

The major difference that you're failing to mention is Geohot did not just "jailbreak" his own device...He modified software that was copyrighted AND distributed it...Thus, breaking the law and SOE's ToS.

If he had JUST modified his own device, I doubt anyone would've cared...His personal distribution of "hacked" copy-written material was what originally started this entire fiasco.

If you took that desk, modified it and freely gave them away as well as plans to do so, I believe you'd most certainly be sued by the father company, absolutely because you're taking THEIR intellectual property and modifying it for personal gain no matter what that gain is.
He also never sold it he only made is available hackers have always been careful never to sell it.
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He also never sold it he only made is available hackers have always been careful never to sell it.
Making it available is defined as being distributed which, is distributing copyright protected material...Which, is illegal.

I don't see why everyone fails to understand this concept.

Someone wrote that software...Geohot illegally modified someone's property and distributed it to the world.

That's illegal. Period.
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Making it available is defined as being distributed which, is distributing copyright protected material...Which, is illegal.

I don't see why everyone fails to understand this concept.

Someone wrote that software...Geohot illegally modified someone's property and distributed it to the world.

That's illegal. Period.
He exploits and opens the code already on the device he never created new software for the device, it is the exact same thing as a jailbreak.
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Making it available is defined as being distributed which, is distributing copyright protected material...Which, is illegal.

I don't see why everyone fails to understand this concept.

Someone wrote that software...Geohot illegally modified someone's property and distributed it to the world.

That's illegal. Period.
Everyone also seems to not understand the concept of intangible objects versus tangible ones either lol.
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Everyone also seems to not understand the concept of intangible objects versus tangible ones either lol.
The intangible was already made legal when jailbreaking was legal the only difference is the device he was working on.
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He exploits and opens the code already on the device he never created new software for the device, it is the exact same thing as a jailbreak.
He exploits and opens the code already on the device AND THEN unlawfully distributed a company's copyrighted property.

He plagiarized someone else's work, modified it, and distributed it.

That's illegal.

Hackers then took it upon themselves to do something ILLEGAL.

Back OT...Going to stay OT.

Sony is not responsible for people ILLEGALLY obtaining, modifying and distributing information...

This ENTIRE thread is rittled with people saying "SOE deserves it"...No, they really don't.

They were well within their rights to sue...They did not go about it correctly and in 2011 it's very hard to prove their case but, they did nothing illegal.

Their data is LEGALLY protected.

The hackers ILLEGALLY obtained the data.

I don't quite understand where all this SOE hate comes from when, by right, they have yet to break the law once.
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He exploits and opens the code already on the device AND THEN unlawfully distributed a company's copyrighted property.

He plagiarized someone else's work, modified it, and distributed it.

That's illegal.

Hackers then took it upon themselves to do something ILLEGAL.

Back OT...Going to stay OT.

Sony is not responsible for people ILLEGALLY obtaining, modifying and distributing information...

This ENTIRE thread is rittled with people saying "SOE deserves it"...No, they really don't.

They were well within their rights to sue...They did not go about it correctly and in 2011 it's very hard to prove their case but, they did nothing illegal.

Their data is LEGALLY protected.

The hackers ILLEGALLY obtained the data.

I don't quite understand where all this SOE hate comes from when, by right, they have yet to break the law once.
The only thing distributed was his code to open the software, Sony's software was never copied or distributed, the distributed code is an exploit to use on your own version of Sony's software nothing more.

Sony deserved to lose the lawsuit all this hacking is just stupid.
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