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post #11 of 26
Thread Starter 
Thanks, everyone!

So, update:

CPU Cooling
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus . Good quality, decently cheap at $39.99. Thanks, SeanWebster!

GPU
I think I'd like to go with the 560 Ti, I just need a good deal on one. I saw someone on this site get one for $180 on newegg just like a week ago! but I'm not seeing that deal anymore. Right now I'm seeing a Radeon HD 6870 of good quality for $189.99 on newegg. If I can find a good deal on a good quality 560 Ti though, I'd probably go with that. If anyone has suggestions, please do suggest.

If my best deal for the 560 Ti is $240 though, would that be worth an extra $50? I like AA in games, and I think benchmarks have shown nvidia cards to generally perform better with AA turned on.

And if I decide to SLI the 560 Ti in the future, will my current PSU choice be sufficient?

Case
I think I'll switch to the COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN2 CM690 II
for $89.99 per Tig Ol Bitties' advice. It seems to have better cooling.
    
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Spinpoint F3 1TB ASUS Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW Win7 Pro 64 bit ASUS VH238H Black 23" Full HD HDMI LED/LCD 
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Spinpoint F3 1TB ASUS Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW Win7 Pro 64 bit ASUS VH238H Black 23" Full HD HDMI LED/LCD 
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post #12 of 26
You're going to love your new rig. You'll be jonesing to upgrade about 20 minutes after you have it built though.
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post #13 of 26
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^I'm just trying to make a really good system now so I won't feel the need to upgrade often later.
    
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Spinpoint F3 1TB ASUS Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW Win7 Pro 64 bit ASUS VH238H Black 23" Full HD HDMI LED/LCD 
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post #14 of 26
Thread Starter 
CPU
Intel Core i5-2500K ($224.99)

GPU
HIS Radeon HD 6870 ($189.99)

Motherboard
GIGABYTE GA-Z68A-D3H-B3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard ($104.99 (in combo))

Memory
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 ($89.99)

Hard Drive
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive ($64.99)

Optical Drive
ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM ($20.99)

PSU
OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W Modular High Performance Power Supply ($89.99)

Case
COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN2 CM690 II Advanced Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ($89.99)

Monitor
ASUS VH238H Black 23" Full HD HDMI LED Backlight LCD Monitor w/Speakers ($179.99)

CPU Cooling
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus ($39.99)

Thanks to everyone for the advice. I think this looks pretty good. I might go with a 560 Ti if I find a good deal, but I think this set-up will run smoothly without it.
    
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Spinpoint F3 1TB ASUS Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW Win7 Pro 64 bit ASUS VH238H Black 23" Full HD HDMI LED/LCD 
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Spinpoint F3 1TB ASUS Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW Win7 Pro 64 bit ASUS VH238H Black 23" Full HD HDMI LED/LCD 
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post #15 of 26
Thread Starter 
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...arts,2776.html

Btw, this benchmark study is what ultimately convinced me of paying $20 more for the 6870 over the 6850. Unfortunately, the 560 Ti wasn't in that study, and I haven't found a good one with both the 6870 and the 560 Ti, so I'm not completely convinced on the 560 Ti yet.
    
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Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Spinpoint F3 1TB ASUS Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW Win7 Pro 64 bit ASUS VH238H Black 23" Full HD HDMI LED/LCD 
PowerCase
Thermaltake TPX-775M Toughpower XT 775W CM690 II Advanced 
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i5-2500K GIGABYTE GA-Z68A-D3H-B3 Twin Frozr II/OC 560 Ti G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Spinpoint F3 1TB ASUS Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW Win7 Pro 64 bit ASUS VH238H Black 23" Full HD HDMI LED/LCD 
PowerCase
Thermaltake TPX-775M Toughpower XT 775W CM690 II Advanced 
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post #16 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by keellota View Post
Thanks, everyone!

So, update:

CPU Cooling
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus . Good quality, decently cheap at $39.99. Thanks, SeanWebster!

GPU
I think I'd like to go with the 560 Ti, I just need a good deal on one. I saw someone on this site get one for $180 on newegg just like a week ago! but I'm not seeing that deal anymore. Right now I'm seeing a Radeon HD 6870 of good quality for $189.99 on newegg. If I can find a good deal on a good quality 560 Ti though, I'd probably go with that. If anyone has suggestions, please do suggest.

If my best deal for the 560 Ti is $240 though, would that be worth an extra $50? I like AA in games, and I think benchmarks have shown nvidia cards to generally perform better with AA turned on.

And if I decide to SLI the 560 Ti in the future, will my current PSU choice be sufficient?

Case
I think I'll switch to the COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN2 CM690 II
for $89.99 per Tig Ol Bitties' advice. It seems to have better cooling.
The PSU has enough capacity, but I recommend these PSUs because they're actually better (I'm not basing this on my opinion):

The 700W OCZ ModXStream has a +12V capacity of only 552W (46A). By contrast, the 620W SeaSonic M12II has a +12V capacity of 576W (48A), and the HX650 has an even larger +12V capacity of 624W (52A). So that's two PSUs right there that have a lower wattage rating on the label, but yet have a larger capacity. On top of that, these 2 particular PSUs are able deliver power that's cleaner and more stable than the power that the ModXStream delivers. Plus, they're both modular!

If these prices are way too high for you and if you don't really need a modular power supply, then I will recommend the Corsair TX650 "V2" which is $89.99 shipped. It has a +12V capacity of 636W (53A), and it's another higher quality unit than the ModXStream.

Now to be quite honest, I believe a high quality 550W power supply would be enough to handle this system if it had two GTX 560s in it. However, I don't want to cheat you out of the ability to maybe go with two GTX 570s in SLI or something that consumes that much power.
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Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate 
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post #17 of 26
Thread Starter 
So even though a PSU says it has a maximum of 700W, it might only have one of 552W? That's pretty deceptive?

Also, I used the wattage calc on newegg, and I believe it suggested a PSU over 700W for two 560 Ti's... is that necessary? and would that number be the 12V*xA capacity or whatever the max is on the front of the box?
Edited by keellota - 6/4/11 at 10:17am
    
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i5-2500K GIGABYTE GA-Z68A-D3H-B3 Twin Frozr II/OC 560 Ti G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Spinpoint F3 1TB ASUS Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW Win7 Pro 64 bit ASUS VH238H Black 23" Full HD HDMI LED/LCD 
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Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Spinpoint F3 1TB ASUS Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW Win7 Pro 64 bit ASUS VH238H Black 23" Full HD HDMI LED/LCD 
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post #18 of 26
Thread Starter 
I'm noticing in the reviews on newegg that the CM case may have grounding issues. At least a couple different people have complained that touching the front USB port panel causes the computer to crash/restart, yet overall the case has great reviews.... o.O Ohmygoodness this process is way too difficult.
    
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Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Spinpoint F3 1TB ASUS Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW Win7 Pro 64 bit ASUS VH238H Black 23" Full HD HDMI LED/LCD 
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Thermaltake TPX-775M Toughpower XT 775W CM690 II Advanced 
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Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Spinpoint F3 1TB ASUS Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW Win7 Pro 64 bit ASUS VH238H Black 23" Full HD HDMI LED/LCD 
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post #19 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by keellota View Post
So even though a PSU says it has a maximum of 700W, it might only have one of 552W? That's pretty deceptive?
It's not that it has a total capacity of 552W, but it's that a modern system draws most of its power from it (including older Core2 Duo systems like mine). So the capacity of the +12V is very important.

In addition, I've also been taught that it's important for a PSU to have a +12V capacity that is 80% or more of the total wattage rating. 552W is only 78% (almost 79%) of the 700W ModXStream (this has no relation to the efficiency whatsoever) which tells me that its absolute peak must be somewhere around 700W. I mean, a PSU with a +12V capacity of 552W makes it more like a 575-600W power supply (maybe 620W if I want to be generous).

Take the 620W SeaSonic M12II for example: that's a nice PSU, it has a rating that's 80W less than the 700W ModXStream, but yet its +12V is 24W more at 576W compared to 552W. Going further, look at the Corsair HX650: it has a wattage rating that's 50W less than the 700W ModXStream, but yet its +12V capacity is 72W larger!

This is confusing, but it's important to be aware of. Unfortunately, it takes time to really understand it all.


Quote:
Originally Posted by keellota View Post
Also, I used the wattage calc on newegg, and I believe it suggested a PSU over 700W for two 560 Ti's... is that necessary? and would that number be the 12V*xA capacity or whatever the max is on the front of the box?
Try to avoid using any PSU calculators. They're inaccurate by nature, and some can give nearly twice what you'd actually need depending on how you use the calculator. So yeah, 700W is ridiculous! NVIDIA recommends a 500W power supply to power a system with one GTX 560 in it, but that's referring to peak-rated PSUs. A 500W continuous-rated PSU is going to have a much larger capacity than some 500W peak-rated unit.

So that's one reason why a quality 550-600W is plenty. Another reason is that with graphics cards of this caliber (I'm excluding the top-of-the-line cards), it's safe to just add about 100W to their PSU recommendation when considering the use of two in SLI or Crossfire. With the flagship GPUs, I'd add about 150W when considering the use of two.


Quote:
Originally Posted by keellota View Post
I'm noticing in the reviews on newegg that the CM case may have grounding issues. At least a couple different people have complained that touching the front USB port panel causes the computer to crash/restart, yet overall the case has great reviews.... o.O Ohmygoodness this process is way too difficult.
Yeah, but it's actually not as difficult as it seems right now.

Anyway, I recommend asking in the Cooler Master 690 Club about the possible grounding issue of the 690 II. Maybe those who are experiencing that problem are either doing something wrong, or are just using wall outlets that aren't grounded (or maybe they live in a house or apartment with horrible wiring done by bad/lazy electricians).
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250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (C:\) 250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (D:\) 150 GB WD VelociRaptor Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate 
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Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (C:\) 250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (D:\) 150 GB WD VelociRaptor Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate 
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Basic, but premium round X-Fi Titanium HD Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 (with 16 AWG Monster Cable... 
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post #20 of 26
Thread Starter 
Just bought everything except for the graphics card! Thanks for the help everyone! =)

CPU
Intel Core i5-2500K ($224.99)

Motherboard
GIGABYTE GA-Z68A-D3H-B3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard ($104.99 (in combo))

Memory
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 ($89.99)

Hard Drive
Samsung HD103SJ Spinpoint F3 Hard Drive - 1TB, 7200RPM, 32MB, SATA-3G ($59.99)

Optical Drive
ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM ($20.99)

PSU
Thermaltake Toughpower XT TPX-775M 775W ($99.99) -> good deal! it's $120, marked down from $150, on newegg
modular, +12V Capacity of 768W
says it's 80 Plus Bronze, but it's actually Silver according to 80 Plus site

Case
COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN2 CM690 II Advanced Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ($89.99)

Monitor
ASUS VH238H Black 23" Full HD HDMI LED Backlight LCD Monitor w/Speakers ($179.99)

CPU Cooling
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus ($39.99)
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500K GIGABYTE GA-Z68A-D3H-B3 Twin Frozr II/OC 560 Ti G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Spinpoint F3 1TB ASUS Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW Win7 Pro 64 bit ASUS VH238H Black 23" Full HD HDMI LED/LCD 
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Thermaltake TPX-775M Toughpower XT 775W CM690 II Advanced 
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Spinpoint F3 1TB ASUS Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW Win7 Pro 64 bit ASUS VH238H Black 23" Full HD HDMI LED/LCD 
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