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Lets just be frank here for a moment. The noticable gaming difference between the older I7's and SB is none. The benchmarking difference shows 10-15%, but we are still talking over 60FPS's in gaming here.

If you are upgrading then yes go SB, but if you have the chance to get an 1156, or 1336 setup from someone on the cheap then do it. There is no sense just throwing money out the window I guess. It's all about what you can afford in the end, but just because you can afford it doesn't mean it always makes perfect sense lol.

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I guess I should have asked the question more properly. Here's the thing, I can't get the i5 2500K because it's still not available in my country and I can't purchase off the internet. The only SB that I can get now is the i5 2300 and non SB i7. So, I wanted to know which would be the better choice for gaming purposes?
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I'd like to believe that the Core i5/i7 (older ones) haven't lost their value, and if Intel did lower prices it would only hurt the consumers who bought the CPUs, think about it for a moment...

If today you bought a SB i5 and tomorrow a new chip comes out reducing the value of the SB i5 by 30% of it's original value, your rig would be worth a lot less.. That's something you don't really want, not really. Already we have to suffer other components falling in prices, which in turn makes system cheaper to build, but resale value is always falling.

You can't afford to build nice systems and put them on your shelf because price fall far too often, neither can you afford to stock a lot of parts, once again falling prices are your enemy. If you had 100 Systems in stock and prices fell (all parts combined) $30, you would be out of $3,000! (Ouch)

The only one that benefits from falling prices mainly are those consumers purchasing parts at the counter or someone building a system that is already purchased, they get current prices, but unfortunately 2 weeks from then prices may fall yet again.

If you buy and stock parts and in 3 months prices fall you will definitely lose money, because clients will argue that they can get the parts or computer cheaper!

The problem with system building is, Retail MFGs (like Dell / Gateway / etc) does it cheaper than you can! It's not very often that a person wanting a Custom PC will walk through your door, even if you try to sell customs to customers wanting to buy a desktop, they simply become put off by the cost and end up going to Walmart, where they have already been to check prices. It takes serious sales skills to sale a computer for more than what Walmart sales them for.

I seen a guy go to put together a Custom desktop at MicroCenter only to change his mind and buy a laptop. One reason is, you can buy a really nice Laptop, though the performance isn't really there, the cost is less, and it's complete, no building required! This is often why retail computers are sold so much at Walmart vs a PC Tech Shop, cost and it's ready to go! The guy wanted to game, so he bought a high end laptop, not that this is a wise decision due to overheating issues, but they are the clueless consumers, so go figure.

Prices have actually been going up with newer tech coming in all the time, the tech is so good, prices really cannot fall, which is a good thing. I'm not really for cheap, I hate it! I had a customer walk in my door and ask me how much for a computer, and I told her I had a used one for $80 (desktop), and she replied "Don't you think that's a bit much?". I replied, "Well, you can't even buy the software to run the computer for less than $110, so I don't understand how that's too much." (I hate Cheap Customers)

I'm glad that things have went the way they have, for multiple reasons as you can see, and if prices continue to go up, then, most people will continue to buy those retail PCs, never really coming to know the power of the i5/i7 Quad Cores or the new 6 Core & 8 Core CPUs. After their warranty expires and those cheap parts break they will be coming to see me, to cry of course.

I've seen a lot of people buy a great CPU and proceed to be cheap by purchasing a cheaper motherboard &/or power supply, but that would be a serious error to me. If you want a good system then build a good system, if you want cheap, go to Dell, or similar MFGs, you cant really beat their price for cheap computers.

I have seen multiple computers for $200-$300 in stores, if Windows cost $110, you do the math!
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I guess I should have asked the question more properly. Here's the thing, I can't get the i5 2500K because it's still not available in my country and I can't purchase off the internet. The only SB that I can get now is the i5 2300 and non SB i7. So, I wanted to know which would be the better choice for gaming purposes?
Thanks again for all your help, really appreciate it.
I would go with the non SB i7 of the two. I think the I5 2300 would do fine in gaming though.
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I'm still waiting to see if someone will provide me with i5 2300 benchmarks and cahrts
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The reason I prefaced my first two responses with the Fraz and TR articles, is b/c it shows the IPC differences, and it allows you to interpolate off of results of say the i5 2400 (in the TR review).

Now there is a Xbitlabs article that actually has numbers/charts for the i5 2300, but I am somewhat suspect of the results b/c the discrepancy between SB and Lynnfield/Bloomfield is far more exaggerated than expected.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...0_7.html#sect0

If you recall, the TR article is very transparent about the settings it uses for BC2 and SC2, and even provides FPS graphs. Compare those number to Xbits...this is the reason I hesitated on providing it. Frankly I think something was not done correctly in the Xbit review...but you can read it and interpret it as you want.

IMO, something is off about Xbit's numbers though.

Bottom line is this -
I mention IPC alot b/c if you overclock your Lynnfield/Bloomfield, to equal clocks of SB, you are going to be close enough for most real-world conditions. If you only run at stock, however, the i5 2300 will be just fine. Coming from a Core2, you'll see a huge difference, regardless.
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The reason I prefaced my first two responses with the Fraz and TR articles, is b/c it shows the IPC differences, and it allows you to interpolate off of results of say the i5 2400 (in the TR review).

Now there is a Xbitlabs article that actually has numbers/charts for the i5 2300, but I am somewhat suspect of the results b/c the discrepancy between SB and Lynnfield/Bloomfield is far more exaggerated than expected.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...0_7.html#sect0

If you recall, the TR article is very transparent about the settings it uses for BC2 and SC2, and even provides FPS graphs. Compare those number to Xbits...this is the reason I hesitated on providing it. Frankly I think something was not done correctly in the Xbit review...but you can read it and interpret it as you want.

IMO, something is off about Xbit's numbers though.

Bottom line is this -
I mention IPC alot b/c if you overclock your Lynnfield/Bloomfield, to equal clocks of SB, you are going to be close enough for most real-world conditions. If you only run at stock, however, the i5 2300 will be just fine. Coming from a Core2, you'll see a huge difference, regardless.
I did use the Xbitlabs article before posting this thread and I, too, wasn't entirely sure of the results. This is why I posted this thread to see if someone could provide me with better articles. Anyway thanks for your help.
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To answer the OP, i5-2500k is really the only choice unless you NEED the power of an i7, the dual cores aren't good enough for everything, while the i5 quad core IS GOOD ENOUGH....

I will still stick by my guns that the Core i5 (750/760/2500k) are STILL the best choice.
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To answer the OP, i5-2500k is really the only choice unless you NEED the power of an i7, the dual cores aren't good enough for everything, while the i5 quad core IS GOOD ENOUGH....

I will still stick by my guns that the Core i5 (750/760/2500k) are STILL the best choice.
I KNOW that 2500K is really the best option for me if I plan to game, only. However, if you had seen my previous post, you would have noticed that I mentioned about it not being available in my country. The only SB chip available is the i5 2300. So, if I don't plan on waiting for the 2500K to arrive, should I go ahead and buy the 2300? Or should I buy a non-SB i7?
That was my question.
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The 2300 is no slouch in it's own right. It will make a fine gaming CPU.
However, you should bear in mind that it cannot overclock very far, as it isn't a K-series processor. It will only overclock as far as the turbo will let it.
If that doesn't concern you, then by all means get it.
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