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After my first steps into Linux through SLAX and Ubuntu over a year ago and now noticing what has happened with Ubuntu I started wondering; does the DE make the distro or does the distro make the DE? The question isn't about who/where the DE/distros come from but more to whether or not they determine how someone will judge a distro/DE. For instance, I started with SLAX and then went to Ubuntu. SLAX was KDE and worked great but Ubuntu was Gnome and always crashed. I feared that this was indicative that perhaps Linux and I would not mix. However, I stumbled upon Kubuntu and since then have been very happy with it. Thinking it was just Ubuntu that was a problem I tried Gnome (various iterations) with openSUSE and Fedora and regardless of hardware and distro had bad or unsatisfactory experiences. So my question was wondering if in some way that the DE a person is exposed to matters more/as much as the distro when they start? A lot of people pan certain distros based on the default DE and I felt that perhaps a more vocal mention about DEs could help with preventing people from giving up or thinking that one DE is how a distro or all Linux will be.

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i prefer distros that are not tied to any particular DE or WM. kde / gnome both SUCK. period. like i said before, I wish they would just merge and make 'windows on linux kernel' because lets face it, that's what those noobs want.

Fluxbox is the best. But if a distro included fluxbox in the default install, i would not like it as they'd probably try to tweak it somehow and would just screw it up in many ways. I prefer a minimal distro that drops you to a console, figure it out install whatever YOU want and not 100000 things that others feel are necessary that just cause problems. gnome-sound-manager-control-panel-applets .. LOL

So to answer your question, the distro makes the DE. If distro X is installed with DE Y by default, there's nothing prefenting you from installing the Z DE package and calling it good, even purging the Y DE package.
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If you're competent enough, distro has nothing to do with DE/WM. Simple as that.
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I like distros that do not favor a DE. I like buidling a DE by picking a window manager panel file manager etc.


Trying to take say ubuntu or Opensuse and removing all the junk and stripping it down is a bit of a daunting task.
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i prefer distros that are not tied to any particular DE or WM. kde / gnome both SUCK. period. like i said before, I wish they would just merge and make 'windows on linux kernel' because lets face it, that's what those noobs want.

Fluxbox is the best. But if a distro included fluxbox in the default install, i would not like it as they'd probably try to tweak it somehow and would just screw it up in many ways. I prefer a minimal distro that drops you to a console, figure it out install whatever YOU want and not 100000 things that others feel are necessary that just cause problems. gnome-sound-manager-control-panel-applets .. LOL

So to answer your question, the distro makes the DE. If distro X is installed with DE Y by default, there's nothing prefenting you from installing the Z DE package and calling it good, even purging the Y DE package.
I knew what distro you'd be running even before I looked in your sig. Real linux gurus don't need DEs.
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well... DE's are the only difference noobs usually notice between distros and thats why people go with this distro instead of that one... but really im to a point i dont care lol

id rather use a distro with a nice back end and the tools i want to use than one with a better gui but a horrible back end...

i use #! as my main linux OS because i love the debian base, and openbox leaves you alone and isnt all in your face like kde and gnome tend to be most of the time if im doing system related stuff ill be in a command line anyway so i like the debian base A LOT, and the only reason i really run a gui is to easily manage multiple terminals and web browsing/irc at the same time without having to switch tty's, so openbox is great and #! happens to do both for me... but if #! didnt exist, id just take a debian net install and throw openbox on it

distro first, gui second... i can use kde 3 or 4, or gnome whatever, or any other weird thing around there as long as i can open up a terminal so id rather have the system base that i want with the ability to swap out DEs if a particular set up tends to bug me... cant really change out something like a package manager if you dislike the base ya know?

people that are ACTUALLY interested in linux will try out different DEs and distros until they find a combination they like and will soon forget about their DE anyway as they get sucked into CLI for most of their purposes... sadly though i do have to say that most uneducated users only focus on DE differences
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^ very well put, i agree 100%

i'll have to put together a guide to installing / using gentoo. you guys are missing out. * < apt < portage
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I honestly do not get why people like gentoo so much it's like 200% more work than Arch for what feels like a 1% improvement.
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I honestly do not get why people like gentoo so much it's like 200% more work than Arch for what feels like a 1% improvement.
This would be my feelings on the matter too.
    
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I honestly do not get why people like gentoo so much it's like 200% more work than Arch for what feels like a 1% improvement.
And that would sum up my feelings on Arch compared to Slackware or Fedora or Kubuntu.
     
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