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post #11 of 18
i would like to point out the same relationship between windows7 and arch.

the reason why is apt < portage. I will detail this in the guide. And you have an extra 0 on the percentage... it's not a big deal. unless you are a noob, then it is a big deal for a period of time.
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post #12 of 18
I just think the law of diminishing returns kicks in some where around Arch or something similar like Debian testing. Afterwards I am putting in more work for tiny pay offs.

Perhaps I lack the patience or perhaps your forthcoming guide will change my mind.

I would certainly like to say I use gentoo as everyone knows it is the next step in 1337ness.
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post #13 of 18
I think its all in the distro... the DE is invisible on some distros and makes no difference on them at all. For example, Jolicloud (aka JoliOS) has Gnome, but the entire DE is Chromium, so you never see, nor feel, anything Gnome unless your deep-file diving.
    
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post #14 of 18
I think it's in the DE, or in the implementation of the DE by the individual distro.

For example, some DEs have a really good, stable version of KDE, but others seem to have suffered in the compilation process and while this would make a case that it matters on the distro, each distro has its own patches and its own way of compilation.

And for most people the GUI is what most users (Yeah, some of us like the CLI) interact with every day, whereas they may not interact with other possibly bugged stuff in the distro much if at all.
    
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post #15 of 18
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Originally Posted by Jimi View Post
If you're competent enough, distro has nothing to do with DE/WM. Simple as that.
I agree with this. To me no distro has any sort of connection with its DE, just that it starts out with one by default and that's it.
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post #16 of 18
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I agree with this. To me no distro has any sort of connection with its DE, just that it starts out with one by default and that's it.
Does that mean you could Openbox Ubuntu? Because that might be super...
    
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post #17 of 18
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i prefer distros that are not tied to any particular DE or WM. kde / gnome both SUCK. period. like i said before, I wish they would just merge and make 'windows on linux kernel' because lets face it, that's what those noobs want.

Fluxbox is the best. But if a distro included fluxbox in the default install, i would not like it as they'd probably try to tweak it somehow and would just screw it up in many ways. I prefer a minimal distro that drops you to a console, figure it out install whatever YOU want and not 100000 things that others feel are necessary that just cause problems. gnome-sound-manager-control-panel-applets .. LOL

So to answer your question, the distro makes the DE. If distro X is installed with DE Y by default, there's nothing prefenting you from installing the Z DE package and calling it good, even purging the Y DE package.
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I agree with the basic tenet here that any WM/DE can be installed on any distro. I'd even go a step further and encourage people to try more of them since many already have commonality and can use each other's resources, and much of the rest can be modded to do so.

However I question that Fluxbox is the best and strongly disagree that " kde / gnome both SUCK ".

First, Fluxbox. What makes it better than Blackbox if we're talking minimalism here? Fluxbox basically IS Blackbox with some KDE and Gnome compatibility that Blcakbox does not have. So apparently it is a good thing that Gnome and especially KDE are popular and therefore actively developed or Fluxbox wouldn't even exist.

This simply means that enough people find certain Gnome and KDE apps indispensable that someone(s) modded Blackbox to accommodate. This further means that what WM/DE you prefer is based on two main ingredients - what you do and what you're used to.

I personally dislike Gnome quite a lot but there are lots of GTK apps I just can't do without. In fact it is so compelling, that I risk abrogating the reasons that Patrick and the Slackware team stopped supporting it at all. One can only get Gnome on Slack through 3rd parties and though I cringe when I do it, I have done it for years. So at least some parts of Gnome, I just happen to need for what I do with most of my computers.

KDE is a whole other level. It was really disturbing at first when KDE v4 came out because v3, especially after v3.5, felt almost perfect and the KDE team left a lot of it behind and I could not see that what replaced it outweighed what it lost. In a few months however, I finally got it what the team was after - complete desktop integration with shared databases. I'm sure there are certain Office oriented people that got it faster than I did because it is mostly productivity and networking oriented. Now, though, even i see where KDE is headed and that it was a brave and bold step on KDE's part to break with the past to innovate and currently IMHO KDE is second to none.... NONE!
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post #18 of 18
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Does that mean you could Openbox Ubuntu? Because that might be super...
yup i dont believe its in the repos though...

#! used to be ubuntu based, so the older versions would be ubuntu with openbox... but debian base is just so much better :/ if you want openbox and a dpkg/apt system, you should really consider getting an #! system and setting up the repos for the debian testing much more solid base with a good preconfigured openbox environment, and the debian testing repo is actually pretty good
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