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Google Music will also scan your itunes library and do the same, lol.
Yes, but with Google music you have to UPLOAD your library, with iCloud you never upload any of your music. It scans to see what songs you have and then streams them from it's own library, that is if apples library has it. So it's a big difference. Unless the articles stating that you upload your library when using google music are wrong .
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When did this change?!?!?!?!

I was just *****ing about this less than two months ago when I bought a song at home on a different PC and was unable to get it on my laptop without buying it again or going home to sync it from the machine I bought it on.
Just recently with the introduction of iCloud. I can see all the music I've ever purchased from iTunes and redownload it to any of my devices.

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Yes, but with Google music you have to UPLOAD your library, with iCloud you never upload any of your music. It scans to see what songs you have and then streams them from it's own library, that is if apples library has it. So it's a big difference. Unless the articles stating that you upload your library when using google music are wrong .
The only time you'll ever upload any music to iCloud is in the rare occasion Apple doesn't have the music you have on your system.
 
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i just love reading apple/console thread. so many insecure ppl.
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Yes, but with Google music you have to UPLOAD your library, with iCloud you never upload any of your music. It scans to see what songs you have and then streams them from it's own library, that is if apples library has it. So it's a big difference. Unless the articles stating that you upload your library when using google music are wrong .
That actually does sound pretty cool, but will it do that with music that is not purchased from itunes? Also what if you have tracks labelled 'track1' etc from a CD you ripped, will it do some magic and figure out what song it is? I'm just having a hard time believing they will let you stream music from their itunes store, even if you didnt actually purchase said songs from itunes.

Links to some detailed info on iCloud would be great if anyone has them.

EDIT: Looked at a link posted earlier in this thread and found my answer pretty much:
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Aside from offering to freely distribute new and old iTunes purchases on all of a user's devices, the Apple impresario unveiled "iTunes Match," a $25-a-year service starting this fall that will scan users' devices and hard drives for music acquired in other ways, store it on distant computer servers and allow them to access it anywhere.
Sounds great, but considering I dont have any itunes music, I may as well just use googles offering, as it seems to do the same thing as itunes match.

I'm actually looking forward to google improving their settings storage for android, now that this has been announced. Would love to be able to flash my phone, then on first boot, just log into my gmail account and have it download all my apps and settings (including my text/call history, email account settings etc etc). I do hope with the introduction of these coulds (from all companies) that they don't force us to put our music into the cloud. That would be a nightmare uploading 100GB of music using my 500kbps upload speed!
Edited by gill - 6/9/11 at 8:33pm
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The only time you'll ever upload any music to iCloud is in the rare occasion Apple doesn't have the music you have on your system.
That I didn't not know. Pretty nice if they allow that.

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That actually does sound pretty cool, but will it do that with music that is not purchased from itunes? Also what if you have tracks labelled 'track1' etc from a CD you ripped, will it do some magic and figure out what song it is? I'm just having a hard time believing they will let you stream music from their itunes store, even if you didnt actually purchase said songs from itunes.
That's what I was wondering, I have a decent amount of misc playlists that have songs labeled as such, i wouldn't be heart broken if i couldn't upload them since most are just random songs but i would like to at least have the option.

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Sounds great, but considering I dont have any itunes music, I may as well just use googles offering, as it seems to do the same thing as itunes match.

I'm actually looking forward to google improving their settings storage for android, now that this has been announced. Would love to be able to flash my phone, then on first boot, just log into my gmail account and have it download all my apps and settings (including my text/call history, email account settings etc etc). I do hope with the introduction of these coulds (from all companies) that they don't force us to put our music into the cloud. That would be a nightmare uploading 100GB of music using my 500kbps upload speed!
Agreed 100% (though I'm starting to get bored with flashing new roms now). I don't own a single Apple product so why would I want to use this service? I think it's a brilliant approach to the cloud but I'll find a service elsewhere.
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Yes, but with Google music you have to UPLOAD your library, with iCloud you never upload any of your music. It scans to see what songs you have and then streams them from it's own library, that is if apples library has it. So it's a big difference. Unless the articles stating that you upload your library when using google music are wrong .

Actually, from what I've read, Google Music needs you to upload you music, UNLESS it's an iTunes playlist, then you have to upload nothing. Not sure where it's pulling it from but that's what I read. So in that way it is almost exactly like iCloud, upload your non-iTunes music, and your iTunes music is just there.
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As long as i can jailbreak everything steve throws at me, it's fine and dandy. What if nice mr geohot turns his friends to your cloud hosting service called iCloud--> No music for a month, enjoy.
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How much do you want to bet that of the big 3 (Google, Amazon, & Apple) offering cloud based solutions, Apple pulls off the best service?
How much do you want to bet that of those three offerings, one of them only runs on Apple hardware and iOS?
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I don't really care about the war, but all devices can do the same things. It's long standing, and to think these newly added features to iOS don't follow that rule is misguided.

There is no war, they both do the same things, pick the machine or UI you like best and go from there, but don't think you're getting a privileged experience others aren't.
While this sentiment is nice, its also not true. If you want a non-phone pocket device iPod touch your choice (can you really consider Archos 4-3?)

iCloud (free version) will allow you to sync your exact work state. If you edit on your phone, the document state and changes "pushes" to your Mac and all other iOS devices and vice verse. There's no saving of documents on the new iWork apps, it just keeps every change and lets you browse.

What other setup will let you work on a presentation on a desktop and when you call up the app on a tablet or phone lets you work on it in the exact same state, down to the position of the cursor, object or text selection and all automatically? IMO, this is 2011 and a "mature" OS landscape so an NEW useful and intuitive feature is a big freeking deal.

iCloud also pattern recognizes your entire library and for ripped and pirated music will give you a new DRM free 256k aac (the best consumer audio rip, imo) copy, so you don't have to upload every song

Since that depended on Apple's strong negotiation, its new data centers, and buckets of cash to record companies... I doubt that "little feature" is coming to other platforms. Google was like efff the record companies, here's our cloud! The fee for that part of iCloud is a reasonable $25 a year.
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Sigh... Steve Jobs continues to hold his dominion over his restrictive ecosystem while the sheep will continue to buy overpriced crap because they do not know any better. Ignorance is what fuels the Apple machine.
     
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