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You'll want to stick to 1.5v RAM for sandy bridge. I'm running cas8 corsair vengeance memory and love it.
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-703-_-Product for the board.

TF III is THE BEST cooler for those cards. I myself got a reference and it's really not that loud so I would save money there to be honest..Mine came with a 1.05v VID which is terrible..Even with TF III I wouldn't be able to go higher.

I would just get the cheapest GTX 570 you can get (reference).



Price difference is too big, keep the CL9.



Unless you go higher than the max 1.1v, the reference should be just as good.

Also, proof that they bin them higher ? I never knew that. I'm pretty sure they do so for the Lighting series, not for TF III.
Check out the 570 TF III PE thread in the NVIDIA section. It's not proof but that's the consensus over there...
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-703-_-Product for the board.

TF III is THE BEST cooler for those cards. I myself got a reference and it's really not that loud so I would save money there to be honest..Mine came with a 1.05v VID which is terrible..Even with TF III I wouldn't be able to go higher.

I would just get the cheapest GTX 570 you can get (reference).



Price difference is too big, keep the CL9.




Unless you go higher than the max 1.1v, the reference should be just as good.

Also, proof that they bin them higher ? I never knew that. I'm pretty sure they do so for the Lighting series, not for TF III.
Thanks for the link. One question though: It seems like the Asus board has generally less favorable user reviews @ newegg. Kinda scares me.

The jury's still out on the GPU for me.


Majin: So I should stay away from 1.6v completely?
post #14 of 111
1.6v will degrade the chip.

Newegg reviews = never trust them ?

To be honest, I would get reference.
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Intel i5 2500k [4.7 GHz] Asus P8P67 Pro B3 [2001 BIOS] MSI 7970 Lighting [Stock] G.Skill Ripjaws X 2x4GB [1600 MHz] 
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Crucial M4 128GB + 2TB Raid 0 Cavier Black Windows 7 [Ultimate x64] [Dell U2412HM] + [HP 2311x] RosewillRK-9000 
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Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Crucial M4 128GB + 2TB Raid 0 Cavier Black Windows 7 [Ultimate x64] [Dell U2412HM] + [HP 2311x] RosewillRK-9000 
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post #15 of 111
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What about this stuff:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-20231440-L03C

Does the timing offset the speed drop?


EDIT: I'd rather not spend much more than $100 on RAM.
Edited by Infinite Jest - 6/4/11 at 12:43pm
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Welcome to OCN!! Your build is looking great so far, just change the motherboard, thermal compound and RAM as others have suggested.

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-Is a bronze certification significantly more comforting that not having a bronze+ for the psu?
-Should 750w cover an SLI in the future (may not actually use this feature, but would it?)?
-Should I be fine with the case fans + MSI TF III HSF for OC both cpu and gpu (mild-moderate)?
-Would Arctic Silver give me an appreciable heat reduction over the CM paste?

-The efficiency of a psu is not too important as long as it's 80+, what is important is the construction of the psu, Corsairs TX750 V2 is an excellent psu and will keep your hardware safe.

-750w is enough to power 2 GTX570's and i5 2500k both overclocked, although there won't be much headroom left

-stock cooling on the HAF922 is excellent, but I would either move the 200mm fan on the top or add a 200mm or 2x120mm to the side, just preference, no idea if it will actually lower temps, though it should

-Arctic Silver 5 is good but it requires a cure time, just pick up some AC MX-4, it's better and has no cure time


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On a separate note, I was having second thoughts about buying a semi-expensive ($300+) GPU with the next gen GPUs (nVidia especially) supposedly being released at the end of this year with superior architecture (28nm vs 40nm). However, visiting some "Should I wait???" threads and reasoning with myself a little more, a sub-$400 card in the next-gen may not even surface this year. I really would rather not wait 8 months when I could have a rig that can max out most games now (i.e. BFBC2, SCII, and in the future BF3, Skyrim and the like). Any re-assurance that now is the time to make a rig for the first time would be much appreciated (or the opposite).
I am actually in the same boat as you, wondering if I should get a new video card now or wait for the next gen cards, I managed to get a GTX460 1GB for a $120 to satisfy my gaming needs for the next 6 months or so, but I have yet to open it as I'm still debating with myself.

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What about this stuff:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-20231440-L03C

Does the timing offset the speed drop?


EDIT: I'd rather not spend much more than $100 on RAM.
If I'm not mistake, Intel chips benefit much more from higher frequencies than lower timings. I would suggest G.Skill Sniper low voltage ram for $90, it's 1600Mhz, 9-9-9-24 and 1.25V!!! Regardless of what you choose, you won't notice any real world performance differences between 1333 and 1600Mhz or class9 vs class7. However I strongly suggest the low voltage snipers, simply because they will draw less power and run much cooler with the same frequency/timings for the same cost as the other memory kits suggested previously.
Edited by OrangeBunnies - 6/4/11 at 1:04pm
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ASUS K53TA-BBR6
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
[i7-3770K 4.5GHz @1.24V] [Asrock Z77 Extreme4] [unlocked Sapphire 6950 Toxic 940/1425 @ 1.175V] [2x8GB Kingston HyperX Black 1800MHz 10-10-10-2... 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
[256GB Samsung 840 Pro] [2x 3TB Green WD30EZRX JBOD] [Corsair H100i] [Windows 7 Pro 64-bit] 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
[23.6" Asus VE247H] [Razer BlackWidow] [Corsair HX850] [Corsair Carbide 500R White] 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
[Logitech G400] [SteelSeries QcK+] [SteelSeries Siberia V2 Headset] [Zalman ZM-MIC 1 Microphone] 
AudioAudioOtherOther
[Logitech X-540 5.1 Speaker] [Logitech S220 2.1 Speaker] [Bitfenix Recon Fan Controller] [TRENDnet TEW-684UB] 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
[AMD A6-3400M 2.35GHz @ 1.0875V] [AMD HD 6650M] [2x4GB Corsair Vengence 1333MHz 9-8-8-8 @ 1.5V] [500GB Seagate 5400rpm] 
Optical DriveOSMonitorMouse
[DVD Slimdrive] [Windows 8 Pro 64-bit] [15.6" LED backlight LCD] [Logitech M305] 
Audio
[Nokia Mini-Speakers MD-8] 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
[Athlon II X2 215 3.4GHz @ 1.4V] [Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P (rev3.1)] [XFX 8600GT XXX 256MB GDDR3] [2x2GB G.skill Ripjaws-X 1333 7-7-7-20 @ 1.5V] 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
[500GB WD Blue] [LG 24X DVD-Writer] [Hyper TX3] [Windows 7 64-bit] 
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[ASUS VS197D-P 18.5"] [ONN 19" LCD HDTV] [Antec Basiq VP-450] [Cooler Master Elite 343] 
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[i7-3770K 4.5GHz @1.24V] [Asrock Z77 Extreme4] [unlocked Sapphire 6950 Toxic 940/1425 @ 1.175V] [2x8GB Kingston HyperX Black 1800MHz 10-10-10-2... 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
[256GB Samsung 840 Pro] [2x 3TB Green WD30EZRX JBOD] [Corsair H100i] [Windows 7 Pro 64-bit] 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
[23.6" Asus VE247H] [Razer BlackWidow] [Corsair HX850] [Corsair Carbide 500R White] 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
[Logitech G400] [SteelSeries QcK+] [SteelSeries Siberia V2 Headset] [Zalman ZM-MIC 1 Microphone] 
AudioAudioOtherOther
[Logitech X-540 5.1 Speaker] [Logitech S220 2.1 Speaker] [Bitfenix Recon Fan Controller] [TRENDnet TEW-684UB] 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
[AMD A6-3400M 2.35GHz @ 1.0875V] [AMD HD 6650M] [2x4GB Corsair Vengence 1333MHz 9-8-8-8 @ 1.5V] [500GB Seagate 5400rpm] 
Optical DriveOSMonitorMouse
[DVD Slimdrive] [Windows 8 Pro 64-bit] [15.6" LED backlight LCD] [Logitech M305] 
Audio
[Nokia Mini-Speakers MD-8] 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
[Athlon II X2 215 3.4GHz @ 1.4V] [Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P (rev3.1)] [XFX 8600GT XXX 256MB GDDR3] [2x2GB G.skill Ripjaws-X 1333 7-7-7-20 @ 1.5V] 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
[500GB WD Blue] [LG 24X DVD-Writer] [Hyper TX3] [Windows 7 64-bit] 
MonitorMonitorPowerCase
[ASUS VS197D-P 18.5"] [ONN 19" LCD HDTV] [Antec Basiq VP-450] [Cooler Master Elite 343] 
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post #17 of 111
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What about this stuff:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-20231440-L03C

Does the timing offset the speed drop?


EDIT: I'd rather not spend much more than $100 on RAM.
I'd go with those for $78. Those could most likely run at the same settings as the first set you posted, but for less money.

And don't stress over RAM, the real world performance differences are negligible
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post #18 of 111
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MSI boards are known to be.. how to say.. go kabooooom and.. being just terrible.
MSI boards were reputed to KABOOM on your face before on AMD boards. It was mainly because of their low number of VRM's (4+1), and a fair amount of their boards had VRM's without any cooling.

But with this sandy bridge release, they ramped up their VRM's from 4+1 to 6+2. 6 power phases should be enough for 95w TDP CPU's. They used to have 4 power phases for 140w CPU's. lol.

But if you want to switch to Asus boards, which is not a bad idea at all, go for it! I just wanted to clear that up, so you'd get the right information.
Edited by choLOL - 6/4/11 at 12:54pm
post #19 of 111
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Originally Posted by Infinite Jest;13750704 
What about this stuff:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231440&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL060211&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL060211-_-EMC-060211-Index-_-DesktopMemory-_-20231440-L03C

Does the timing offset the speed drop?


EDIT: I'd rather not spend much more than $100 on RAM.

Those are 1333 but they are cheaper... It's about the same performance as CL9 1600 MHz..Your choice..but I would get those.
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Intel i5 2500k [4.7 GHz] Asus P8P67 Pro B3 [2001 BIOS] MSI 7970 Lighting [Stock] G.Skill Ripjaws X 2x4GB [1600 MHz] 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Crucial M4 128GB + 2TB Raid 0 Cavier Black Windows 7 [Ultimate x64] [Dell U2412HM] + [HP 2311x] RosewillRK-9000 
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Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Crucial M4 128GB + 2TB Raid 0 Cavier Black Windows 7 [Ultimate x64] [Dell U2412HM] + [HP 2311x] RosewillRK-9000 
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post #20 of 111
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What about this stuff:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-20231440-L03C

Does the timing offset the speed drop?


EDIT: I'd rather not spend much more than $100 on RAM.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231455
These here are quite nice @ $105. they would allow you to clock your memory higher or downclock them to 1600Mhz with tighter timings.

Or you have these @ $115 with the same speed/timings:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820233142

P.S. Congrats on the decision to move to PC gaming...I believe that you wont regret your decision.
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Xeon W3540 @ 4.508GHZ 1.425v MSI X-Power Sapphire HD 6970 @1Ghz core/1.45Ghz Mem 6GB Crutial Ballistix @1.96Ghz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Samsung F3 500GB RAID 0 Samsung Windows 7 Ultimate X64 Samsung 19" 
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Coolermaster Silent Pro 1000w Coolermaster 690 II Advanced Gigabyte GM-M6880 
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Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Samsung F3 500GB RAID 0 Samsung Windows 7 Ultimate X64 Samsung 19" 
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Coolermaster Silent Pro 1000w Coolermaster 690 II Advanced Gigabyte GM-M6880 
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