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Yeah I made a post a page or so back explaining why your system is not only using more than what is shown in Task Manager, but why RAM "performance" should not only be measured in FPS. Because it certainly does more.

If you want to open your eyes to actual fact instead of blindly repeating that nothing on earth needs more than 4GB RAM, check out this informative page.
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Quick, someone go tell everyone that uses an SSD for a boot drive!
There's just a little bit of difference between a boot drive and a page file. Aside from that, SSDs are known to have limitations, such as a maximum number of writes to each sector before that sector is too damaged to red/write. While this isn't nearly as much of an issue as it was in the earlier days of SSDs, it is still common practice to move the page file to a platter disk to eliminate unnecessary stress on the SSD.

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...again...
Sure, it's all opinion either way, but I can cite plenty of examples where professional geeks of various types have recommended against disabling the page file. Can you show me professionals recommending that it be disabled?
 
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There's just a little bit of difference between a boot drive and a page file. Aside from that, SSDs are known to have limitations, such as a maximum number of writes to each sector before that sector is too damaged to red/write. While this isn't nearly as much of an issue as it was in the earlier days of SSDs, it is still common practice to move the page file to a platter disk to eliminate unnecessary stress on the SSD.
I would say there isn't. I have a single array for storage, paging, and booting. When I do eventually spend an utterly outrageous amount on SSDs, I will have the same setup, but with SSDs.

Any SSD worth it's weight in [currency goes here] should handle it just fine with wear leveling. Why on earth you would move your page file to a mechanical drive is beyond me.

The point of an SSD is speed, not babying by the paranoid.

If you ARE paranoid, throw in some extra ram to avoid disk thrashing. Problem solved.
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I think 6GB will soon be the next "4GB needed!"
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post #75 of 83
It seems like 4gb ram is still enough for today from what I see people post but I did see a 8gb ram for $75 with free shipping on Newegg.com but I guess I won't need it right? Or should I get it?


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I think 6GB will soon be the next "4GB needed!"
I have not seen anything that would persuade me to believe that.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/memory...w-31549-3.html
Although the above article is a little dated, the benchmarks seem to indicate that there is no discernible difference between 3 GB to 12 GB in games such as Crysis, even at resolutions as high as 2560 x 1600. I suspected as much as I have Pentium D based system (as a back-up) and games that would barely play at higher resolutions using 2GB play perfectly fine at 3GB.

As an SSD user, it is worth it for me to have 8 GB of memory as it allows me to remove the page file. There is no logical justification for taxing the drive any more than it needs to be. Removing the page file has never made my system unstable, ever. It also allows the system to boot faster and to shut down faster, additionally it increases security.

And yes, actually I do know of IT professionals who remove the page file on their own systems. In a work environment this would likely not be as wise, but on a personal system that is not tied into a domain, there is nothing to fear.
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post #77 of 83
get 16 gb ... thats todays thing.
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post #78 of 83
So all games today will forsure not use more than 2gb since they are all 32bit? If so then I don't need to have more than 4gb or ram. But if still it's better to have 8gb let me know since that's how high I can go upto at most for my Sony notebook. Like Crysis 2 or StarCraft 2 will never use more than 2gb? Or will those games use more? The Sims 3 is kinda like StarCraft 2 since they are similar in graphics and how it displays.
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Unless I' am wrong and didn't read everything but is Crysis 2, StarCraft 2 and The Sims 3are 64bit games?
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32-bit applications can use up to 4 GB of RAM on 64-bit Windows if they are flagged with Large Address Aware option. I don't know if the games you listed are but most games today are Large Address Aware.
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