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Microsoft gathers all kinds of click data, usage patterns, etc.. for all of the products under their customer experience improvement program, but IIRC its all optional.

Windows has a service called WMI that will let people spy on your computer. eg, check currently running programs, logs etc... and its enabled by default on all copies of Windows.

Apple? They already ship reality distortion fields with their hardware, so who knows?


Linux? Absolutely not. Its not so much that they don't want to, its just that nobody has any time to sift through all of that data.
    
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Nay. It was for viewing it in Windows Media Player. And yes, they CAN tell the difference. Remember, this is Microsoft were talking about - they are more than capable of this. Google PhotoDNA if you'd like to see one of their related projects.
Well a few things:
"PhotoDNA on Bing, SkyDrive and Hotmail services" -Microsoft site. They say nothing about integrating it in WMP.

The program itself is called PhotoDNA, and I'll I've read about it is the use to look at images, no mention of video. If they did have some secret technology for detecting it in WMP, they are just detecting it in a small portion of media players. And it would be expensive to develop this, hard to keep it under wraps, and utilize it successfully for hardly any benefit to them.

Seriously, I can see government agencies watching networks and catching people alot easier than a program with built in software sending reports to the government agencies. It sounds like a conspiracy, or even made up rumor.

So I'm going to have to ask for more proof, cause I am not buying it.
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We would obviously know if that was the case, and in fact when such things have happened before they have been found out. There are plenty of people out there who monitor all traffic on their networks and it would be quite easy to see, hey, there is some traffic there that I don't know what it belongs to. Then a little digging later and boom, Microsoft has a PR and legal nightmare on their hands.

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Google PhotoDNA if you'd like to see one of their related projects.

While Im all for hammering down on CP and similarly nasty material out there, the fact that M$ got involved is worrying to me. Windows 7 makes countless records and backup records of every little action you do on your computer. Not to sound all paranoid, I dont think theyre trying to collect information as of yet... however, that doesn't mean they won't in the future. Sandy Bridge is able to connect via 3G in order to send or receive information in an "emergency situation" should the internet be otherwise disabled. Somewhat worrying for folks like moi.
You are misrepresenting what PhotoDNA does. It does not scan private communications. It may have scanned what he downloaded at the ISP level and then forwarded that information to police, but it wasn't running locally on his computer.
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I mentioned PhotoDNA as an example of a) Microsofts involvment in such movments b) The ability to detect what would be considered "illegal" material.

You think it would be hard to do for a video format such as WMP, seriously?? Video formats are a series of images, frames, thrown together to create what we call a video. They would not be analyzing the entire movie, they need only take a single frame or two for analysis - the overhead would be next to non-existent. Why do I say this? Because they aren't trying to catch people that protect themselves, change vids up to great degree, remove checksums, use an efficient firewall, etc.

I'll see if I cant track down a reputable source. Where I read the article and the firestorm discussion that followed was hardly be concerned credible. In any event, the question asked was about ones privacy in an operating system. For now, I'd say that we are "relatively" safe with Windows.
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in alot of these cases it's not detected on your PC but before it reaches it rememeber that info gained from you without your consent or without previous gained permission it admissable in court but if it's gained by tagging illegal material first then tracking where it gose, that is fine however terms and conditions of use allow internet service providers and email provider to filter material that is illegal and or offencive and pass the info to required parties, should they wish Mcrosoft and Applpe will need to be more aware of this as a paid product however can build as many backdoors in as they like as long as not used with out explict permission from a court or yourself
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in alot of these cases it's not detected on your PC but before it reaches it rememeber that info gained from you without your consent or without previous gained permission it admissable in court but if it's gained by tagging illegal material first then tracking where it gose, that is fine however terms and conditions of use allow internet service providers and email provider to filter material that is illegal and or offencive and pass the info to required parties, should they wish Mcrosoft and Applpe will need to be more aware of this as a paid product however can build as many backdoors in as they like as long as not used with out explict permission from a court or yourself
Well you saw the UELA and you pressed next. Thats permission.
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Well you saw the UELA and you pressed next. Thats permission.
AFAIK EULA != law
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AFAIK EULA != law
not law. Terms and conditions. Spyware does have EULAs as well. No one reads them.
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not law. Terms and conditions. Spyware does have EULAs as well. No one reads them.
It's still the same thing. EULA = End User Licensing Agreement = Terms and Conditions.

It's not illegal to disagree with the EULA, you're just supposed to lose the right to use the software, but most EULA's have some CRAZY stuff in them.

For instance, the iTunes EULA says you can't use iTunes for the manufacturing of biological or nuclear weapons.
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It's still the same thing. EULA = End User Licensing Agreement = Terms and Conditions.

It's not illegal to disagree with the EULA, you're just supposed to lose the right to use the software, but most EULA's have some CRAZY stuff in them.

For instance, the iTunes EULA says you can't use iTunes for the manufacturing of biological or nuclear weapons.
Lmoa looool
Great application is a lil app called EULAnalyzer. You just drag and drop the box onto the EULA and it will point out all the good and not so good about the EULAs. Its free as well.
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