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I'd recommend the ASRock Extreme4, its $189.99 on Newegg and ASRock is a subsidiary of Asus; havent heard much complaints if any for ASRock, everyone I know that has one is very satisfied.
I'm not in the US so Newegg isn't an option...

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May I add one further information:
I have never tried ASrock. Heard good things. But I haven't found more than 3 topics on google about the Sabertooth failing to POST. that thing is a fricken tank! I heard the chokes on the VRM can stand up to 1000ºc. A OCN Member called fartq explained it very well.
He stated that the tooth had the best power delivery system in its price range; only beaten by the maximus.
Power phases do not matter: It is easier for a mobo manufacturer to slap on a few more phases than it is to provide good, beefy phases. read the military test report off asus.com. That stuff is incredible. That made it for me.
What do you prefer? Features, or durability?
You decide

Pls say what case u will use,
Planning to stick with my current case purely to save on costs for the time-being. When I've got money coming in I'll invest in SSD, RAM and a 800D(possibly).
Was aiming to keep my budget to 400 seem to have gone over that so I've decided not to go i7...

I'll go have a read up about the Sabertooth stuff you mentioned
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Wait and get the Gigabyte Z68XP-UD4-B3. It'll support Virtu.
Thanks but I think I've all but counted Z68 out now

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The Asrock isn't available on SCAN.co.uk so I'd have to pay for delivery off another website, with scan i don't pay for delivery

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I had a good read and think I'll just opt for the P8P67 PRO
Edited by retro41 - 6/6/11 at 10:33am
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Tt Armor seems like a nice case. I personally went for the sabertooth, because I need it ot last me 5 yrs. I don't care for Z68 either.
I'm glad I could help. If you need links to sabertooth info, i'll post up
    
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Its alright, good airflow for its size ... def need a bigger case when I eventually crossfire.

I read that Armor induces more heat running out of the box, since they don't provide a fan?
Depending on how easy the armor is to remove and if it voids the warranty or not would be useful to know.

Do any of your links cover those areas?
Edited by retro41 - 6/6/11 at 12:40pm
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I'm on a similar boat, although higher budget, so I'll pop in.

Usage: 50-50 gaming and surfing/office/photoshop, daily OC 4-4.5ghz

Note:
-I Never do SLI, but second 8x pcie slot can be used for raid controller.
-Upgrade cycle about 2years, stability and reliability matters a lot.
-Case is the Corsair 800D, not windowed.

Shortlist:
-Asus P67 sabertooth
-Asus p8p67 ws (or pro, too many similar models as usual)
+Gigabyte P67A-UD5-B3
+Gigabyte P67A-UD7-B3 (was in my build last month, but it's almost impossible to find now)
*Asrock Fatality P67 performance (mostly for the COLOR)
*Asrock Z68 Extreme4 (because of Broadcom lan instead of realtek)

Asus boards pros:
-intel lan
-full EFI bios (= fast boot, absolutely hate how slow it is now with pcie raid controller)
-best bios so far

Asus cons:
-sleep not working quite right STILL (hate this, but if boot is really fast i could turn off instead of sleep)
-rare incompatibilities with some gfx cards (have a gtx280 later to be repalced by 590)
-incompatibilities with 3TB hdd (dont care, have only WD 1tb and 2tb)
-Had always slight issues with asus boards, including the Rampage that i'm still using

Ggiabyte pros:
-Have a g45 ud3 on htpc that works like a charm and COOL for 2 years.
-very good mosfet board cooling
-no particular HW incompatibility

Gigabyte cons:
-hybrid EFI bios (=slower boot, but sleep works)
-realtek lan
-a bit expensive (but i'm happy to pay for quality)

Asrock:
-No direct experience, ppl talks well about the current generation P67 and Z68 models.

The amount of problems of Asus vs Asrock boards can also be due to the sheer number of purchasers.

anyway, the mainboard is always the LAST component i get, because it needs months of USERS debuggin.
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I'm on a similar boat, although higher budget, so I'll pop in.

Usage: 50-50 gaming and surfing/office/photoshop, daily OC 4-4.5ghz

Note:
-I Never do SLI, but second 8x pcie slot can be used for raid controller.
-Upgrade cycle about 2years, stability and reliability matters a lot.
-Case is the Corsair 800D, not windowed.

Shortlist:
-Asus P67 sabertooth
-Asus p8p67 ws (or pro, too many similar models as usual)
+Gigabyte P67A-UD5-B3
+Gigabyte P67A-UD7-B3 (was in my build last month, but it's almost impossible to find now)
*Asrock Fatality P67 performance (mostly for the COLOR)
*Asrock Z68 Extreme4 (because of Broadcom lan instead of realtek)

Asus boards pros:
-intel lan
-full EFI bios (= fast boot, absolutely hate how slow it is now with pcie raid controller)
-best bios so far

Asus cons:
-sleep not working quite right STILL (hate this, but if boot is really fast i could turn off instead of sleep)
-rare incompatibilities with some gfx cards (have a gtx280 later to be repalced by 590)
-incompatibilities with 3TB hdd (dont care, have only WD 1tb and 2tb)
-Had always slight issues with asus boards, including the Rampage that i'm still using

Ggiabyte pros:
-Have a g45 ud3 on htpc that works like a charm and COOL for 2 years.
-very good mosfet board cooling
-no particular HW incompatibility

Gigabyte cons:
-hybrid EFI bios (=slower boot, but sleep works)
-realtek lan
-a bit expensive (but i'm happy to pay for quality)

Asrock:
-No direct experience, ppl talks well about the current generation P67 and Z68 models.

The amount of problems of Asus vs Asrock boards can also be due to the sheer number of purchasers.

anyway, the mainboard is always the LAST component i get, because it needs months of USERS debuggin.
I am at the $400 budget so I probably have similar needs to the other poster. But, I can offer my two cents if you want another perspective.... ????

I would steer clear of Gigabyte boards, at least the sandy bridge ones. It bothers me that they have so many Z68 boards but they don't include the output so they are practically useless as a Z68 functional board. They're more like a P67.

Also, Gigabyte boards seem to have some booting issues if you read the forum or motherboard section.

They also don't have UEFI BIOS and instead, some strange touch bios that seems useless.

For me, anyway, it's between Asus (#1 choice but really expensive), Asrock, MSI and if I am really on a budget, I will consider Biostar.

I think I like the right-angle SATA ports though because I am tired of having problems with cable management and the traditional setup or configuration always seems to add to the cables every where.

MSI and to some extent, Asus, usually have the right-angle and very logical layouts so I am tempted to consider them as best contenders. Some people here are criticizing MSI, though, for some VRM issue but I am not sure what that is about. I like Asrock, too, but they seem a bit pricey since they are not really up there in reputation as the others. I am not sure about the Broadcom LAN also. Is that a good co. to have as the LAN chipset? I think Asus is good for providing Intel although Realtek is ok, I guess.

I am unsure what features I need but I probably don't need SLI or Crossfire either. It's nice to have but I probably have to trim my budget and I think I want an i5-2500K cpu so the mobo might have to be around $150 for me.

That leaves not much room. Maybe Asus P8P67 or the Pro.

Still can't decide. Hopefully, some others will chime in and have some good ideas. :-)
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I would steer clear of Gigabyte boards, at least the sandy bridge ones. It bothers me that they have so many Z68 boards but they don't include the output so they are practically useless as a Z68 functional board. They're more like a P67.
Also, Gigabyte boards seem to have some booting issues if you read the forum or motherboard section.
The Z68X-UD4 has better quality and features than the comparable P67 one, and its about 30€ cheaper than the P67-UD5.
Will read more about the boot issues. Anyway, a new motherboard that is completley problem-free doesn't exist.

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They also don't have UEFI BIOS and instead, some strange touch bios that seems useless.
As I posted above, they have a "hybrid EFI bios". They'll make a UEFI later. If u ask me, better a standard bios that recognizes the peripherals than one ultramodern that doesnt or that has random bugs. I'm still bitter at Asus.

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I think I like the right-angle SATA ports though because I am tired of having problems with cable management and the traditional setup or configuration always seems to add to the cables every where.
I couldnt care less about this - if u check an 800D review, you will see the multiple sata connectors that go to the hotbays.

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I am not sure about the Broadcom LAN also. Is that a good co. to have as the LAN chipset? I think Asus is good for providing Intel although Realtek is ok, I guess.
Broadcom was Intel (or perhaps intel bought it and resold it), anyway it is at the same level. Marvell, then Realtek.
Anything is ok, but cpu% can be higher.
Since i play online and i download quite much (often at the same time), it matters to me.
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As I posted above, they have a "hybrid EFI bios". They'll make a UEFI later. If u ask me, better a standard bios that recognizes the peripherals than one ultramodern that doesnt or that has random bugs. I'm still bitter at Asus.

I couldnt care less about this - if u check an 800D review, you will see the multiple sata connectors that go to the hotbays.

Broadcom was Intel (or perhaps intel bought it and resold it), anyway it is at the same level. Marvell, then Realtek.
Anything is ok, but cpu% can be higher.
Since i play online and i download quite much (often at the same time), it matters to me.
I am still not impressed by Gigabyte's sandy bridge boards although you are right, the reviews and benchmarks one comes across, they are usually pretty good for power/temps. But, I read of a lot of people recommending an UEFI BIOS and Gigabyte is the main brand to not do it.

I don't know what you mean by the 800D but I believe the OP was stating interest in that case. Too expensive for me. I have an Antec 300 I am stuck with for now so cable management is a big deal for me. ;-)

So, Intel or Broadcom > Realtek > Marvel????

I guess I am not too picky about LAN brand but I agree with you! I would choose one over the other if there might be a LAN connection quality or speed difference that was significant or noticeable.
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For lan quality i'd say:
Intel > Broadcom > Marvell > Realtek
but the differences are so little that probably nobody will notice*.
A teaming with two realteks could get a more stable speed than for instance a single. COULD, cause i dont really know

*Differences are for LAN connections. Realtek lan ports are software ones, which means that the cpu has to do some work, while intel and broadcom ones are hardware. It has been measured 55MB/s on intel vs 30MB/s on realtek.
Now for me that I just download some stuff with good but not extreme bandwith, it shouldnt really matter. YMMMV.


I think i'll go for Asrock as this round. They seem to have the less issues and nothing important (such as usb keyboard and i have ps2 ). Pity for the realtek lan but, i'll try teaming.
I'll make another thread, since i'm undecided between the extreme6 and the fatality professional.
I prefer to have separate pci-e lanes for graphic card and a raid controller that i surely get in the future (i hate to change mainboard too often), and soundcard.

See here about what i mean with pci-e lanes allocation:
http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/...reme6block.jpg
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http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/...reme4block.jpg
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To be honest, right now th emost durable board to mee seems to be either Maximus, UD7, Sabertooth, in that order.
I have also had past problems with ASUS mobos but that was on an AMD hotbox xD

To answer your questions about the thermal armor:
Go check out Vortez's review. It does work, especially well with a downward-blowing CPU cooler. If you do not have one, the just go get a 50mm fan and mount it on the board or just leave the slot cover open. Also, all the gigabyte boards I have ever owned have broken multiple times aswell. Must be the AMD socket >

About ASRock. Their board have many power phases and lots of features. This is true. Still, there's something about them. Remember it is easier for a manufacturer to slap on more power phases than it is to actually make good, beefy phases I have read that the VRM cooler on ASrock's extreme series does get a bit hot.

Now, I don't know about if taking off the armor voids your warranty, BUT; 1. SInce we're at 2011 you should have a good enuff case to make sure it is more helpful than problematic
2. If it breaks, you have a 5 year warranty Or you can blow compressed air into the board
    
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post #30 of 32
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Hey guys, thought I should share my decision.
Went with the Asus p8p67 pro! 3 yrs warranty was enough. Ended up cheaper because they had a facebook daily offer for the 2500k so under 400 for everything, job well done i think!?!? Arrived today and going to tackle the job tomorrow, cant wait to get it all hooked up.

Thanks again for the help, will get round to rest of the reps once iv got it up n running

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