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ABS M1 switches are closer to Cherry MX Black or Brown?

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Hey everyone, hopefully this will be quick.

I'm currently eying a Filco Ninja w/ Cherry MX Brown switches. But I'm also wondering if they'll be too "soft" compared to what I'm used to now w/ the M1 and its Fukka Alps copycat switches.

The switches on this M1 are fine, but I can feel fatigue in my fingers when I type for awhile, which becomes very frustrating.

Basically, I guess I'm wondering if the Cherry MX blacks will simply be these switches, but more forgiving on the fingers, or would going to the browns be best for me in the long run? I do game a fair amount as well; I have read that browns are good for people who type and game 50/50.

Many thanks!

EDIT: On a tangent, I'm also considering the Realforce 86UB, since I heard that the Topre switches are in a class of their own.
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If you're going from ABS M1 to a Filco brown (Ninja or not), you'll definitely feel the difference since brown is lighter compares to Fukka. Between black and brown, I'd say black is probably the closest but of course, Filco also sells Zero which has similar switch but you'd have to import it or keep checking Amazon. Bruce (KeyboardCo) might put some up there (

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As for Topre, I certainly like my 87ub but wouldn't recommend it just to anyone since most people can't justify its price tag. It's one of those things that you'll have to try it out for yourself to see whether or not it's your thing.
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first thing first, thanks reaper~ for replying to my PM

I'm going for the Ninja mainly because of the side-printed keycaps, and the Tenkeyless layout.

But a major thing I think anybody has to consider is what if the keyboard arrives DOA, or something is wrong with it. AFAIK, the place that sells these keyboards are located in the UK, so returns/RMAs would be a real pain in the donkey.

And it looks like elitekeyboards.com only carries the 86UB model, not the 87UB...plus the latter model is 103-key.

I was considering the HHKB Pro 2, but man, that Ctrl key would be impossible to work with in FPS games.
    
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You're welcome. And as for the warranty part, I agree that it's probably going to ba a PITA to have to ship something to UK to be replaced but FWIW, I've had many interactions with Bruce and his team over at KeyboardCo and they're seem like a bunch of genuinely nice folks and I'm sure that they'd do the best they can when it comes to honoring their warranty.

Also if you still interested in 87ub, just email support here to see if they have any left. Last time someone over at GH said they didn't have any left in stock.

As for HHKB, I think more than a few people have problem with its layout. It seems like they have a hard time adjusing to the layout of some of the keys.
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Woah, I didn't know that Leopold was behind the Realforce brand. Shows how much I know.
    
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I think they're a reseller since Topre is a Japanese company that makes RF keyboards among other things (link) and the link I gave you earlier was for Leopold in Japan but they're actually a Korean company.

Sort of like how Ducky "Channel" also carries Das keyboard on their web site.
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I think DuckyChannel and Ducky is kind of like Diatec and Filco. A distributor that sources various products and with others just resells them.
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They'd probably feel closer to the Blacks, as Black Alps (or Fukka/Forward Electronics ones) are not particularly tactile and quite stiff.

Now, whether or not you actually want a stiff and not particularly tactile keyboard is another question.
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post #9 of 9
Black Alps are tactile. They're just stiff and have a tendency to gum up (which increases stiffness and reduces tactility)
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