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Poll Results: whats your choice for 990fx

Poll expired: Jul 11, 2011  
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    Asus M5A97evo
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    Asus M5A99Xevo
  • 49% (58)
    Asus Sabertooth 990fx
  • 31% (37)
    Asus Crosshair V Formula / Thunderbolt
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    Biostar TA-990FXE
  • 12% (15)
    Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD7
  • 4% (5)
    MSI 990FXA-GD80
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post #1991 of 10107
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Count Me In.

just thought you should know, your name is said "disturbed eleventy-seven"
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post #1995 of 10107

Alright Guys, i have an issue.

i have set my CPU voltage to 1.40 Yet when stressing it jumps up to around 1.44-1.45volts.

Any advice?

i have tried turning llc to Extreme.

 

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post #1996 of 10107
I have a problem with my build, thermal radar tells - it starts out with 23-25c idle then after 10mins its 40 idle on everything. and i havent overclocked anything. all standard or auto options as normal.

Sabertooth 990fx motherboard (new)
corsair vengeance 1600mhz 16GB (new)
cooler master hyper 212 evo - cpu cooler (new)
amd FX 6100 6-core 3.4ghz (new)
amd XFX radeon hd 6950 2GB
crucial SSD 128gb (new)
western digital green 2TB
corsair TX 750W powersupply

2x 200mm fans (cooler master fans)
1x 140 mm fan (noctua fan)
1x 120 mm fan (cooler master fan)


help? :S
post #1997 of 10107
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Originally Posted by snok89 View Post

I have a problem with my build, thermal radar tells - it starts out with 23-25c idle then after 10mins its 40 idle on everything. and i havent overclocked anything. all standard or auto options as normal.

Sabertooth 990fx motherboard (new)
corsair vengeance 1600mhz 16GB (new)
cooler master hyper 212 evo - cpu cooler (new)
amd FX 6100 6-core 3.4ghz (new)
amd XFX radeon hd 6950 2GB
crucial SSD 128gb (new)
western digital green 2TB
corsair TX 750W powersupply

2x 200mm fans (cooler master fans)
1x 140 mm fan (noctua fan)
1x 120 mm fan (cooler master fan)


help? :S



what do your temps read in hwmonitor?as in everything you mean every component?

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Strange problem i ran into this morning...Off a cold boot i got Overclock Failed.I was thinking why?I passed 12 hours of prime blend,2 hours off OCCT and 40 runs of LinX with no errors also even stressed my GPU for 3 hours with OCCT Gpu with no errors. Anyone else having his problem happend on reboot also frown.gif
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Ik think your problem is the RAM ,it must be set to 2T command rate to run propperly.
Try it and let us know if this helps.
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Why are you running your ram at 1404Mhz (702.4 - 3:10)? it should be 1872mhz (936.4 - 3:14) 9-10-9-28-37-2T and a CPU/NB frequency of 2107 probably means you are playing with the CPU bus speed which is not necessary. You can run all the Prime, OCCT and LinX you like and a game can still crash or reboot the system, your overclock is not stable.
Edited by Mistral - 3/2/12 at 4:40am
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post #2000 of 10107
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Ik think your problem is the RAM ,it must be set to 2T command rate to run propperly.
Try it and let us know if this helps.
Thanks Mistral pointed something out.Kinda stuck :S
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Originally Posted by Mistral View Post

Why are you running your ram at 1404Mhz (702.4 - 3:10)? it should be 1872mhz (936.4 - 3:14) 9-10-9-28-37-2T and a CPU/NB frequency of 2107 probably means you are playing with the CPU bus speed which is not necessary. You can run all the Prime, OCCT and LinX you like and a game can still crash or reboot the system, your overclock is not stable.
So i did what you pointed out but i ran into and issue how do i set it to 1872?Posting some screen shots to let you see there is no option under ram frequency.Thanks for the help.

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