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Poll Results: whats your choice for 990fx

Poll expired: Jul 11, 2011  
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post #6971 of 10135
I think the rumor on CPU-NB performing worse when OC'd started with people having a hard time stabilizing CPU-NB OC. biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

Others could bash my statement but it really depends on whether you can stabilize it or not. It's a bit finicky, yes. But ooh, the rewards were great!!! biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

Also, I remember when I started out with these chip and a Giga board, I suggested a blind area on the CPU-NB Multi with Giga boards. X12 was a dud but doesn't mean 2400 CPU-NB is dead. And at that time, even the experienced ones would doubt it. biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif But that issue is cleared out now. And yes, Asus boards don't have that bug. It could've also contributed to the CPU-NB rumors!!! biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
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Thanks, but I'missing fsb oc? Is the ht replace the fsb with amd cpu?

Yes, forgot that field. FSB OC, this will affect every parameter on your system. CPU frequency, cpu-nb, ht link, even PCIe (some boards are ganged).

Rule of thumb, observe the other parameters when doing this. You need to keep them within known working values. Cpu-nb maxes out to 2700 on most chips. Ht link can be finicky past 3000.

And yes, FSB is called HT or hyper transport in AMD speak.

no FSB is NOT HT

FSB is front-side bus ( which is an often used incorrect term for amd. but meh it works ) and is the speed between the board and the cpu. this is actually HyperTransport™ Reference Clock

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HyperTransport™ Reference Clock (HT ref. clk) : The base clock for various clock domains on the
AMD “Scorpius” platform technology. HT ref. clock is 200MHz by default. CPU, CPU NB, HT Link and Memory clocks are all linked to HT ref. clock. HT ref. clock adjustment is a good tool for fine tuning the various clocks to optimal values. The HT ref. clock value itself doesn’t have any impact on performance

HT is hyper transport which goes from the cpu to the rest of the board. this is what is referred to as "HT overclocking" Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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HT Link Multiplier: This multiplier determines the clock speed of the HT Link. In the case of the AMD FX-8150 CPU, the default value is x13 (13x200MHz = 2600MHz). In most cases a reboot is required for HT Link Multiplier value adjustment. The maximum value of HT Link Multiplier is x13. HT Link Multiplier is unlocked on all of the AMD FX-series CPUs.



also i edited my last post and you may need to refresh to see it
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Being until very recently a 955 C3 owner for a good while, I read up a lot on CPU/NB overclocking and found real good results with it. I just upgraded to the FX chip and started reading again within the last couple weeks.

Now I wish I could find the post I was going to reference, but I know it was on this site. It may have been where the rumors originated, it was certainly not a small discussion. But basically what I got out of it is that the gains seen from CPU/NB overclocking had their hayday in the PhenomII/Th days, and the FX chips did not see such gains as had shown in the past. It wasn't a bulldozer thing...it was explained a lot with a lot of jargon I cannot remember. It may have had something to do with the L3 cache, and how it was utilized in the FX chips vs how it was utilized in the Phenoms was wildly different. My memory is telling me that's somewhere along the target of the discussion for why the CPU/NB overclock was not as effective....L3 Cache. Does that sound right at all?

I haven't messed with my CPU/NB yet, as I have yet to decide if this is an overclock worth fussing around with. I only use 1600 speed RAM, so if there is a benefit to be seen it would probably be me who would see it, correct? Or is it the other way around? Faster RAM will see more of a benefit from the CPU/NB overclock or slower RAM? And how does it affect timings working with the FX chip, will I need to loosen them to maintain stability, or will it just depend on NB and CPU/NB voltage and how my chip likes it, with timings not being a factor at all?

Appreciate the input, still trying to investigate this area further.
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Being until very recently a 955 C3 owner for a good while, I read up a lot on CPU/NB overclocking and found real good results with it. I just upgraded to the FX chip and started reading again within the last couple weeks.

Now I wish I could find the post I was going to reference, but I know it was on this site. It may have been where the rumors originated, it was certainly not a small discussion. But basically what I got out of it is that the gains seen from CPU/NB overclocking had their hayday in the PhenomII/Th days, and the FX chips did not see such gains as had shown in the past. It wasn't a bulldozer thing...it was explained a lot with a lot of jargon I cannot remember. It may have had something to do with the L3 cache, and how it was utilized in the FX chips vs how it was utilized in the Phenoms was wildly different. My memory is telling me that's somewhere along the target of the discussion for why the CPU/NB overclock was not as effective....L3 Cache. Does that sound right at all?

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Appreciate the input, still trying to investigate this area further.

NP !

although you are on the right basis " locking " cpu/nb and ht to 2200 showed improvements in benches on BD that is what i was referring which people keep porting over to vishara, which has no basis in fact as vishara does not show these improvements

although you are right about the lack of improvements when compared to PHII

as for you, you may get minor improvements in benches, it will not be enough to care about unless you are truly going for that MAX score.

CPU/nb helps faster speed ram.

amd felt it was a good idea to keep it faster then ram ( max supported ram is 1866) and they capped it @ 2200. ( 83xx, talking about speeds not max capacity ) and i personally have noticed that is about the sweet spot for ram, i run 2400 8gb sticks which are much harder on the imc then 4gb sticks however i can almost match the best 4gb stick scores and only have seen a few past me. i keep my main chip at 2700 and my secondary @ 2600. the 2600 has substantially less scores.
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Having helped as many people as I have and having used 3 different chips across 4 boards all able to. I highly doubt that. But hey it is overclocking.

I would need bios screens voltage (all) digi (all) and cpu settings (all, meaning the multis and things not power saving) to help out. Are your vrms cooled actively?

Here ya go, Yes my VRM's are actively cooled with a downward pushing fan on the top of my case. Notice the auto voltage for the CPU/NB is 1.45V



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. i keep my main chip at 2700 and my secondary @ 2600. the 2600 has substantially less scores.

That makes it sound like it would show some kind of noticeable improvement and not just for a benchie.

Although your ram is much faster than mine, and maybe that's where my improvement would not be so substantial. I believe that's what you're saying here.

Basically, keeping my CPU/NB stock is likely not to have a noticeable difference than if I improve my CPU/NB clock speeds, unless I'm benching for better scores. Real world difference won't matter with my setup. (6350, 1600 RAM) However with faster RAM speeds, (such as 2400 in your case) CPU/NB speeds will show a pretty good increase with a CPU/NB overclock, and maybe even something that is real world noticeable. It is dependent on your RAM and how fast you're running it in the first place. Just trying to echo what you're saying in different words to make sure it's coming across to me correctly.
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What does it mean fsb is mobo to cpu and ht is cpu to the rest? isn't fsb bidirectional and why 2 transportation?
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no FSB is NOT HT

FSB is front-side bus ( which is an often used incorrect term for amd. but meh it works ) and is the speed between the board and the cpu. this is actually HyperTransport™ Reference Clock

Lol.. I don't know how you can say that HT (hyper transport) is not FSB when your explaination points into it.

There is a big difference between HT and HT Link. So you might as well look at my post and your explanation before pointing into it as wrong.

Anyway, that explanation should clear a lot of misconceptions between the two.

You just pointed out to the wrong person.
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Originally Posted by Mega Man View Post

no FSB is NOT HT

FSB is front-side bus ( which is an often used incorrect term for amd. but meh it works ) and is the speed between the board and the cpu. this is actually HyperTransport™ Reference Clock

Lol.. I don't know how you can say that HT (hyper transport) is not FSB when your explaination points into it.

There is a big difference between HT and HT Link. So you might as well look at my post and your explanation before pointing into it as wrong.

Anyway, that explanation should clear a lot of misconceptions between the two.

You just pointed out to the wrong person.
Can you elaborate?
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Can you elaborate?

HT or FSB, or to be perfectly clear, HT Reference clock, has values from of several hundreds. HT link on the other hand, has several thousands..

In the fx, HT = 200 MHz at stock.
HT link = 2600..

The rest have been covered already by megaman..

HT reference clock is the basic value dictating CPU, cpu-nb, HT link, memory and some other clocks with their corresponding multipliers.
Edited by mus1mus - 4/23/14 at 8:28am
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