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Can someone post the Lulz side of the sotry from their website, their site is blocked at work
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You guys sound like sheep. You believe things always go down the way one source says they did? What lulzsec is doing is a necessary evil. Their behavior forces companies that you entrust with your personal information to actually attempt to secure it. Do you really want your info to be sitting out on a platter for any hacker to come get? Enforcing the law and punishing the people you catch doesn't mean any of this will stop. Coming up with more secure solutions for storing information does.

TLDR; Lulzsec is a necessary evil.
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You guys sound like sheep. You believe things always go down the way one source says they did? What lulzsec is doing is a necessary evil. Their behavior forces companies that you entrust with your personal information to actually attempt to secure it. Do you really want your info to be sitting out on a platter for any hacker to come get? Enforcing the law and punishing the people you catch doesn't mean any of this will stop. Coming up with more secure solutions for storing information does.

TLDR; Lulzsec is a necessary evil.
So what you are saying is thank god for these criminals, they will help protect us from the actions of criminals.....
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Wow, I can't even begin to address the social inaccuracies and the ignorance portrayed in these ramblings; so I'm not going to.

This is a capitalistic society...We are free to choose, the freedom of speech is your first ammendment and you have the freedom to choose whom you give your business.

Your business empowers this "corporate" evil you claim exists so, stop giving it to them and they will no longer exist...

Let me guess, your statements aren't meant to be factual, like the Planned Parenthood stats in Congress last month, right?? Because that's how accurate they actually are.



I'm an admin, my company holds many defense contracts...I'll be the first person to tell you, I want free internet and the freedom to do as I choose whist on the internet but, hackers are making it VERY hard for anyone to justify our social freedoms...Even, me.
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Funny. Because that same man asked the hackers to shut down competition sites for him in that exchange as well. I'm sure that's all been neatly hidden.
 
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and we found WMD's in Iraq too, didn't we?
Lol. I'm sure they'll somehow find a way to coax the public eye with hackers stealing info on nuclear secrets.
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Lol. I'm sure they'll somehow find a way to coax the public eye with hackers stealing info on nuclear secrets.
Actually...You'd be suprised where some of those codes actually are...Think Sony is bad? Naw, not even close...I've heard my fair share of rumors and the sad thing is, I don't doubt them.

There are also no corporate evils that exist because they're free...We made them, we paid them, we as a society, coerced and created those evils...We're also free to spend our money as we choose.

Anonymous and Lulz serve no purpose in this world beyond apparently fighting for a public that truly doesn't need/want or request their services.

Every single time Anonymous sends a message or Lulz decides to "test" security, they're enforcing censorship laws and each day some idiot in congress pushes it forward.

What's more important? The wills and freedoms of 4 billion people or 2 hacking groups claiming to serve freedom in America?

I side with 4 billion.
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Funny. Because that same man asked the hackers to shut down competition sites for him in that exchange as well. I'm sure that's all been neatly hidden.
Can yuo please cut and paste their side of it? I can't get to their site from work...
post #59 of 63
People are still sucking on the teet of mainstream news?
Of course they're going to try and out this group as the evil of all evils.
Karim was a shady dude, a dude that called himself a "whitehat" but wanted to take down his competitors. Sounds like a good dude eh?

Here is the IRC log.

Code:
moondog = Karim

* moondog (~moondog@CA655518.4E086B07.EE1DCA7E.IP) has joined
<moondog> Hello?
<knobbles> hello.
<hamster_nipple> hi
<Espeon> HEllo.
<hamster_nipple> karim?
>moondog< CTCP VERSION
<hamster_nipple> MOONDOG
<hamster_nipple> WAKE UP LAD
<moondog> Can't talk now but wanted to connect. Need to discuss. Yes  it's Karim. 
<moondog> You guys on perpetually?
<hamster_nipple> yes
<hamster_nipple> before you leave
<hamster_nipple> what did you want to talk to us about?
<moondog> Ok
<hamster_nipple> moondog ?
<Espeon> LimeChat for iPhone... client of kings...
* moondog_ (~moondog@85485E68.8405F5D7.EE1DCA7E.IP) has joined 
<moondog_> Short version: need assurance you guys aren't hired by my competitors. 
* moondog has quit (Ping timeout)
<knobbles> If we had a bank account I'd show you that we got no payments from your competitors.
<Espeon> If we were hired by your competitors, we'd be taking their money and taking your company down
* moondog (~moondog@DB285C25.1DC404E1.EE1DCA7E.IP) has joined 
<moondog> If you guys have the philosophy that you have lead me to believe then I rather shut my company down rather than let them have my data.
<knobbles> Just out of curiousity, which philosophy might that be kind sir
* moondog_ has quit (Ping timeout)
<Espeon> his iPhone seems to be really bad at connecting
<moondog> It would seem you have some level of concern that this data could be used to destroy (Libya as an example) which is far more my competitors agenda. How do I know you are not taking their money?
<knobbles> We might destroy companies but we stick to our words. Which we can't say of most people in your branch.
<Espeon> it would be best not to further question the people that are giving you a chance
<Espeon> we talked yesterday about not ******* up the situation
<Espeon> we're not working with anyone you know or will ever know, that's our word and that's it
<moondog> To what end is having the botnet data going to help. My understanding will help me better get an idea of how to cooperate. 
<Espeon> we like botnets, we like data
<Espeon> we like crushing things; we like inside info
* Espeon shrugs
<moondog> Can you help me figure out which botnets to go after?  It is darts for me today. Maybe you can give me focus. 
<Espeon> what's your status with Mariposa?
<moondog> Trying to get custody of the domains. Davis still has the vast majority. Davis is now Endgames. 
<Espeon> yes heard about Chris joining from that conference; seems a lapse in technical skill
<Espeon> hamster_nipple will have our exact botnet goals
<moondog> Yep. 
<moondog> See
<moondog> Understood. 
<moondog> Matt is really the talent behind Davis. That is why I have him. He is good. 
<Espeon> we just want to have a better understanding of the situation, hopefully you can find a way to get connected here frequently
<moondog> I will.
<Espeon> each of us does have a copy of a very indepth compilation of your company data, there is no copy on the cloud and everything is behind encryption
<Espeon> nothing can be accidentally leaked
<Espeon> at this point we're not using any of it to gain leverage in other places
<moondog> Ok. Thank you. 
<moondog> Does Oakbot mean anything to you guys?  We think it might be an alias to Qakbot. 
<Espeon> you're right
<moondog> ****. That was a wild guess!!
<Espeon> mainly we don't want anything specifically
<Espeon> see, if given the chance to eliminate or expose your competitors
<Espeon> we will go off on our own tangent, leverage, to acquire what we need
<Espeon> this is the inside info part
<hamster_nipple> hi
<knobbles> Give us all the info you can get and we will do with it what we can. Which is usually a lot.
<moondog> Hello. 
<moondog> Can I take a guess at who you are? 
<Espeon> Karim
<Espeon> we've been expecting you to be secretly guessing since day 1
<Espeon> do share
<moondog> 808chan. 
<hamster_nipple> ROFL
<Espeon> heh, you think we're *chan insurgency?
<hamster_nipple> are you serious bro
<hamster_nipple> how dare you
<Espeon> that's funny ****
<hamster_nipple> call us a ******* chan
<hamster_nipple> we're beyond chans bro
<moondog> :)
<moondog> Then tell me. 
<knobbles> D: /i/ all the wa.. i mean wait what
<hamster_nipple> moondog
<hamster_nipple> if we tell you who we are
<hamster_nipple> you will **** yourself and shut the **** up
<hamster_nipple> but yes we are very well known
<Espeon> I like Karim
<Espeon> he's very comical
<hamster_nipple> I'm offended he'd call us some ******* chan
<hamster_nipple> I feel like leaking his ****
<Espeon> at least it was 808, they're not the worst
<knobbles> LOL
<moondog> Lots of imposters out there. Extortion doesn't fit ur profile. 
<knobbles> Not the worst, everything is said by that.
<Espeon> our profile hits all ends of every spectrum
<hamster_nipple> moondog, what do you mean it doesn't fit our profile
<Espeon> anyway, chitchat aside, what's enxt
<hamster_nipple> what profile are you referring to
<hamster_nipple> because I feel like you're trying to social engineer us
<hamster_nipple> and we're sitting on all your emails
<hamster_nipple> so you're either the best social engineer on the planet
<hamster_nipple> or you're highly dense
<moondog> Why be hostile? Just curious. 
<hamster_nipple> we're not a chan
<hamster_nipple> don't refer to us as a chan
<hamster_nipple> we are security researchers
<moondog> No worries. You're not a chan. 
<hamster_nipple> heh
<hamster_nipple> you're testing my patience
<knobbles> Don't think you have to tell us we're not a chan. We're quite fine at knowing that ourselves.
<Espeon> well judging from the acute details of moondog's observations, let's just assume he's saved and reviewed what we've said to him and assigned a trusted individual to monitor for correlations in cyberspace
<hamster_nipple> anyway
<Espeon> sounds like typical whitehat search-and-fail
<hamster_nipple> absolutely
<Espeon> anyway, 808chan, time to check it out
<Espeon> maybe they've said something that looks like something we said?
<hamster_nipple> google 808chan and the word nipples
<hamster_nipple> maybe he googled it and got a result
<hamster_nipple> and correlated both
<hamster_nipple> I love whitehats.
<hamster_nipple> anyway karim
<hamster_nipple> we werent paid by your competitors
<Espeon> :x maybe he used Maltego and reverse grammar/word engines to find our Bebo nude pictures
<hamster_nipple> we straight up owned you and your company on our own
<hamster_nipple> because it is what we do
<hamster_nipple> we target whitehat security firms
<hamster_nipple> now
<hamster_nipple> lets move forward
<hamster_nipple> do you agree with this?
<Espeon> fun and games fun and games, but I'm bored, let's talk business
<moondog> Sure. Why is it called Oakbot?
<hamster_nipple> we don't give a **** why its called oakbot
<hamster_nipple> when do we get access to the linode account again
<Espeon> why am I called Espeon, I prefer Digimon?
<hamster_nipple> I want to hop on those vms and monitor your bots
<knobbles> It was coded using a mobo that was made using an oaken hammer. Names do not have to mean anything or be interesting in any way.
<hamster_nipple> and its not even oakbot
<hamster_nipple> its qakbot
<moondog> Agreed. 
<hamster_nipple> you're playing with us karim?
<Espeon> I've seen some Oakbot and some Qakbot, probably someone dicking around
<moondog> Just seeing what is worth chasing. You spoke of partnership. Testing the waters. 
<hamster_nipple> stop ******* around
<hamster_nipple> thats it
<hamster_nipple> you don't need to test the waters
<hamster_nipple> WITH SOMEONE WHO HAS OBVIOUSLY OWNED YOU
<hamster_nipple> keep that in mind mate
<knobbles> So, we were talking business.
<knobbles> Now lets not talk about why it's called business and not bread.
<hamster_nipple> knobbles talk to him. I'm not in the mood for games
<hamster_nipple> see *** he wants
<knobbles> So mate, we need all info we can get for the.. speciality... for your competition, agreed?
<hamster_nipple> knobbles, do you have the clip of his conference we hijacked?
<hamster_nipple> is it edited and ready to release?
<hamster_nipple> send him a link to the fun let him listen in on his internal communication with partners
<Espeon> no link
<hamster_nipple> maybe that'll wake him up
<Espeon> not ready
<Espeon> <-- that's me dude
<hamster_nipple> hai
<moondog> How did I offend?
<hamster_nipple> "Testing the waters"
<hamster_nipple> you don't need to test the waters
<knobbles> I got that one too espeon.
<hamster_nipple> when we're here wasting our time trying to help your ass out
<hamster_nipple> we told you we are willing to work with you on a relationship
<Espeon> I'll get an edited version that cuts out the 3 minutes those morons decided it would be a great idea to disconnect and reconnect
<hamster_nipple> ROFL
<hamster_nipple> HEY GUYS THE OPERATOR SAID JUST TO LEAVE AND COME BACK
<hamster_nipple> OK
<hamster_nipple> *everyone leaves conference*
<moondog> Fair enough. That was Deloitte not me. 
<knobbles> I did lol tho.
<hamster_nipple> yeah
<hamster_nipple> I laughed my balls off
<hamster_nipple> ok moondog
<hamster_nipple> so are we going to build a relationship with each other
<moondog> You know they never called me since. 
<hamster_nipple> or are you going to keep playing games?
<hamster_nipple> and sit on google googling our nicks hoping to correlate a link
* Espeon stretches from boredom
<Espeon> maybe we should just **** Endgames and say it was Karim's fault
<moondog> Trying to move toward that and away from the threats. Doesnt help anyone. 
<hamster_nipple> LOL
<knobbles> Sorry but I am in fact bothered by the bull****. We are not a chitchat club
<hamster_nipple> if we root endgames.us and link to karim
<hamster_nipple> that'll be lol
<knobbles> Can we get down to business
<hamster_nipple> ok karim no more threats. and no more games from you. thanks.
<Espeon> speed rooting Karim's affiliates? sounds like a fun time
<moondog> Done. 
<Espeon> threats over though, okay
<Espeon> all jelly and ice cream and bots and 0day from now on
<moondog> Sure. 
<hamster_nipple> so how do we help each other starting from today. karim?
<moondog> Help me choose to what to go after hamster_nipple. 
<hamster_nipple> regarding what? botnet wise?
<moondog> I am sure I will piss off others in this business. Yes. Botnets. I want your protection from others coming to get at the firm and me. Can you do that?
<Espeon> are you implying that this protection is destroying said "others"
<Espeon> or warding them off with fiery sticks?
<knobbles> we cannot make magical internets barriers
<knobbles> we can ruin something.
<Espeon> because you can knife a bear or point sticks at it until it goes away
<hamster_nipple> Ill give you examples
<hamster_nipple> you are working towards a contract
<hamster_nipple> a competitor comes out the left field and takes your shine
<hamster_nipple> or is going after the same contract
<hamster_nipple> tell us who they are
<hamster_nipple> tell us any details involved in the situation
<hamster_nipple> researcher names, emails, numbers if you know any
<hamster_nipple> if there are servers involved or accounts let us know any logins you may have or anything that will help our research
<hamster_nipple> we'll own them
<moondog> What about other botnet masters?
<hamster_nipple> we can go after them too
<hamster_nipple> we just need to know where they're running their c&Cs or sinkholes
<moondog> They are more likely to attack me. 
<moondog> Ok
<hamster_nipple> you just got to give us enough info to work with
<moondog> Understood. 
<knobbles> More info + more detailed info = better/faster
<hamster_nipple> we're a well talented well rounded group and the best thing is we work great together. so far our success rates have been decent
<hamster_nipple> what are we getting in return?
<moondog> Any group that of limits in the botnet world that I should leave alone?
<moondog> Information that we get. 
<moondog> Insider to us that we don't try to sell. 
<Espeon> want money for kills; we destroy then you pay
<hamster_nipple> moondog, we hold no affiliations with any other groups
<hamster_nipple> so by all means takeover the botnet of whoever the ****
<moondog> Ok
<moondog> I can't ask you to get someone and stay a "legit" firm. Agreed?
<hamster_nipple> what do you mean
<hamster_nipple> are you saying you're scared of turning greyhat?
<hamster_nipple> lol
<Espeon> 35 years old? time to mix it up
<hamster_nipple> theres no so things as whitehats you guys are as corrupt as we are
<hamster_nipple> the only difference is we admit it
<moondog> Can't operate in the world I am in that way. 
<Espeon> whitehats are just blackhats that have board meetings with lengthy rhetoric
<hamster_nipple> and you get paid for it
<moondog> Lol. Agreed. 
<hamster_nipple> moondog, I understand where you are coming from
<knobbles> More to the point; if you're scared of feds on yoru doorstep: dont be.
<hamster_nipple> but the same way you have a relationship with matt who takes over botnets for you
<hamster_nipple> consider us a relationship who own ****
<moondog> I never said I don't agree with most of what you believe about the industry. 
<Espeon> immoral, sure, if this gets out it'll be the story of a company hiring a hit squad to hack competitors
<Espeon> that's why it won't get out
<hamster_nipple> moondog, do you have access to lexusnexus or similar information portals?
<moondog> Yes. I consider this a unique core competency. No I don't but may get it soon if I get some money. 
<hamster_nipple> I suggest you work to getting access it
<hamster_nipple> as we want to share it with you
<hamster_nipple> to*
<hamster_nipple> do you have access to anything interesting that we don't already know about? any governement portal/info searches
<hamster_nipple> anything that we can use
<Espeon> inside FBI alerts
<Espeon> want them
<Espeon> if applicable :)
<hamster_nipple> lol @ espeon I see what you did there
<moondog> They are all over me as of late. Think Paul freaked when it wasn't him logging in. 
<hamster_nipple> they aren't all over you like that trust me
<moondog> That CSFI is odd. 
<moondog> They took my data and ran. 
<hamster_nipple> really?
<hamster_nipple> should we target them/ ;)
<hamster_nipple> ?
<moondog> Well it was a bit odd. And I don't know their intent. I it was what you referred to, I regret giving them data. 
<moondog> I = If
<hamster_nipple> what data did you give them specifically?
<moondog> Seriously. That is not my game. 
<hamster_nipple> it was regarding the libyan project correct?
<hamster_nipple> espeon/knobbles: I suspect they are doing something very funky regarding libya
<knobbles> id like to get my hands on that tbh
<hamster_nipple> moondog: what data did you give them? botnet stats regarding libyan bots that are infected?
<hamster_nipple> or?
<moondog> Compromised hosts in Libya. 
<hamster_nipple> figured as much
<hamster_nipple> they're probably looking for libyan hosts that are infected that are probably high profile
<hamster_nipple> for use in penetrating libyan space
<moondog> Yep. 
<hamster_nipple> karim
<hamster_nipple> why would you do something like that ... knowing their intentions?
<hamster_nipple> did you feel you had to in order to continue doing business?
<hamster_nipple> honest question
<moondog> I didn't know the intent and was in marketing mode. I am truly starving guys. 
<hamster_nipple> I understand man
<hamster_nipple> thats why we're trying to help you
<hamster_nipple> but wow thats pretty ****ed up @ csfi
<moondog> Be home shortly. Want to continue though. 
<hamster_nipple> ok lets continue this convo
<hamster_nipple> we have a lot to learn from each other
<moondog> Ok. Peace Hamster. Not yanking your chain man. Seriously. Bye for now. 
<Espeon> ;) bye bye business man
<hamster_nipple> ok we'll be here. hurry back :)
<knobbles> cya soon man
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Originally Posted by Multitaskinwhatup? View Post
You guys sound like sheep.

TLDR; Lulzsec is a necessary evil.
There is more to this than the press is aware of. Its a war of I can lock your internet PW's, banking and credit cards better, companies.

Comcast.com launched this on 5/26 at the same time. Look the time lines!
http://xfinity.comcast.net/constantg...cid=NET_33_629

At the same time this company was try to prove ?something? Out do them by hacking into the accounts IDK (only guessing?)
http://www.guardedid.com/default.aspx
I can tell you this I have plenty of proof. I thought it was funny.
There are other companies involved. Big names. A lot more here than what meets the eye.
Lulzsec, I feel sry for him. The guy winding him up, will unwind him. Why would he care he lives in another country, Lol.
I think this may be one of the ransom notes.
NOW who is the sheep ....
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