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I'd be willing to bet you'd find that most people who agree with them are under the age of 21 with no real responsibilities in their life, who think they know what the world is like in their limited high school experience.
What?! Real life isn't anything like high school?! No wai!
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What?! Real life isn't anything like high school?! No wai!
well... if you watch too much reality TV you'd think it was...

I'm looking at you: Kardashians, and Jersey Shore knobs...
    
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I don't agree with Sony's utter lack of security, and their actions with Geohot and while I think they deserved a lesson. It's a whole different story when you start trying to sell and release innocent people's information. That's criminal.

If Lulzsec had hacked them, and then either not released the information, or if they wanted to show proof, release the info with the sensitive information censored. Then, and only then could I have gotten behind them and have actually rooted for them. But what they have done is criminal, and they deserve to be punished.

I just can't understand why everyone is trying to condone what they have done. It's like saying "Oh you got your identity stolen because of Lulzsec? HAHA you deserve it for giving your information to Sony. HAHA!" Thats the kind of ignorance that makes me start to lose faith in humanity. Seriously people wake up! Innocent people are getting screwed because these hackers have a stupid vendetta against Sony. Sony needed to be taught a lesson, but this is NOT the way to do it.
You simply can't hack somebody and release censored info. What happens when they decide to keep "priority" info and just abuse other people's lives? They did a good thing in releasing the info and not censoring it, at least we know it wasn't tampered and was original. They could have been nicer about it and released it just to Sony, though that's kind of against the message.

And if you don't like their methods, you obviously don't like the idea of a civil war. Riots, protesting, the real motives behind sending a message. People don't listen if you calmly tell them what is wrong with the world. As amazing as Gandhi is, or Buddha, nothing really gets changed. I'm a hippie through and through but honestly there is no better message than the violent one. It sends the message that you mean business. We didn't decide to send covert op missions to Iraq and kill the leaders, which we might have been able to do. No, we walked over there and slapped them with our slong and said "sup". That's the best way to get somebodies attention and I think it's good.

When we have commercials on TV that talk about identity theft and then have a group of hackers steal information on millions of people... Something isn't right, maybe we really should back up this idea of cyber protection. Maybe...
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post #54 of 68
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You simply can't hack somebody and release censored info. What happens when they decide to keep "priority" info and just abuse other people's lives? They did a good thing in releasing the info and not censoring it, at least we know it wasn't tampered and was original. They could have been nicer about it and released it just to Sony, though that's kind of against the message.

And if you don't like their methods, you obviously don't like the idea of a civil war. Riots, protesting, the real motives behind sending a message. People don't listen if you calmly tell them what is wrong with the world. As amazing as Gandhi is, or Buddha, nothing really gets changed. I'm a hippie through and through but honestly there is no better message than the violent one. It sends the message that you mean business. We didn't decide to send covert op missions to Iraq and kill the leaders, which we might have been able to do. No, we walked over there and slapped them with our slong and said "sup". That's the best way to get somebodies attention and I think it's good.

When we have commercials on TV that talk about identity theft and then have a group of hackers steal information on millions of people... Something isn't right, maybe we really should back up this idea of cyber protection. Maybe...
It's very simple, if you release censored info, you send a message to Sony that you have terrible security, and if you guys want to come after us, we have plenty of info to release, to make this even worse for you. In fact I think Lulzsec would be in a better position if they had only threatened to release the info instead of actually releasing it. They would still have some leverage over Sony, and law enforcement agencies.

I agree for the most part with the second paragraph, but the thing is, the people who are being hurt by this are the WRONG people! Had they released the info of Sony Execs for example, thats different than innocent consumers. The people who are getting screwed by this did nothing wrong. If you want to send a "violent" message, make sure that the people who you are hurting are the people who actually deserve it.

And as for people saying "Well, OCN is a bunch of teens in high school". I'm 18 years old. Age =/= Maturity.

EDIT: As for the "Priority Info" at least you'd have a good idea of who stole your info. When they released it to the public, literally ANYONE could have gotten it. Then you have pretty much no shot of tracking them down.
Edited by Craiga35 - 6/7/11 at 1:25am
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Yes and it's the consumers who are paying the price. It'd be different if they just did the deed and announced it, showing how bad Sony's security is. Instead, they actually steal the information and distribute it. Then they go after Nintendo, of all companies, and do the same thing. Now, the FBI. Just... ugh.
LulzSec did not hack Nintendo, according to the guy on Twitter, anyway:

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LulzSec The Lulz Boat
Things we would never harm: Sega, Nintendo, Neopets, Old Spice Guy, anyone that owns a boat for the sole purpose of being a pirate.
19 hours ago
I like this guys humor.
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Me and Lulzsec had a very special relationship, shame my hubby is behind bars now Soo much to do
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You guys are really missing the point these guys are trying to make.
Hopefully some good will come from it. For every public release of information, there are countless security breaches that are kept quiet, with personal information being sold on the black market. If the black market sales can't be traced back to Sony, then Sony has no motive to spend money on plugging the security holes and will allow the blackhats to continue to profit from identity theft. Embarrassing them publicly by making it incredibly obvious that a problem does exist might get those holes fixed.

It is the same mentality used by people who publicly release hacks for MMORPG's - the exploits exist, and a small group of people can continue to profit from them until they become common knowledge. Until the exploits become common knowledge, the devs consider fixing them to be a low priority, but once everybody knows about it they become game breaking and the devs are forced to fix it.

In the MMO's that Sony runs, when hacks are publicly released they simply allow the game to die rather than spending money to fix it (anyone who has played Planetside recently knows what I mean). They have proven unresponsive to anything less than existential threats to the entire corporation. Had Anonymous and LulzSec not caused as much damage as they did, as openly and publicly as they did, it is fair to assume that Sony would have continued to knowingly allow other hackers to quietly steal peoples' information.


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In fact I think Lulzsec would be in a better position if they had only threatened to release the info instead of actually releasing it. They would still have some leverage over Sony
That is literally the oldest trick in the book. In chapter 11 of Art of War, the story of Chuan Chu is compared to the story of Ts`ao Kuei. Chu killed the king and was immediately hacked to pieces by the palace guard. During a meeting to formalize his surrender, Kuei held a knife to the neck of a different king and forced him to sign a document returning lands that Kuei had lost over the course of three disastrous battles.

The threat of force can be more effective than the use of force.
Edited by willis888 - 6/7/11 at 3:25am
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LulzSec did not hack Nintendo, according to the guy on Twitter, anyway:



I like this guys humor.

definitely going into my sig
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That was pretty much the worst article ever.
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