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I m so happy for this new breakthrough. Go Intel! Go !
   
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I m so happy for this new breakthrough. Go Intel! Go !
You know how I can tell you didn't read the thread? ..Because the Xeon 5698 was mentioned 3-4 times as being a 4.4ghz dual core CPU that was introduced months ago.
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What stability tests do they use? I'd be willing to bet if Intel just did that, there'd be complaints about lack of stability (Once again, servers.)

Under 60c has to do with the 1U-2U servers that sometimes run a passive heatsink with forced convection airflow through the entire case, they may be rated up to higher than 60c but a tiny case running 4 CPUs at once, cooled by a bunch of 80mm fans at one end will not run as cool as a large enthusiast case with many 120mm or 140mm (Or even higher) fans, stock heatsink or no stock heatsink.
A 1-2U heatsink will keep most SB chip stable at 4GHz+ in 40C ambients (and most server environments aren't that hot).

Also, you cannot compare temperatures reported for AMD and Intel CPUs as they represent significantly different physical locations on the chip.

The temps you see reported on an AMD system are representative of tCASE. On an Intel, it's distance to TJmax.
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Try saying that to most of the Q66xx, Q95xx and Q96xx owners.

Iirc, it was commonplace for the dual core's to hit the 4Ghz mark too?

Can't speak for the dual cores, but I'd say most of my chips generation could hit 4Ghz
I would say it to most of them, as most of them are not at 4GHz, especially for the Q6600 (the Core 2 Quad Q9xx0 is 45nm so it's not the same generation as your CPU). It wasn't until the 45nm Core 2s that 4GHz overclocks were much more common, specifically the dual core variants. The quad core variants got as far much less often, but more so than the 65nm CPUs (maybe even the dual core variants).

A Core 2 Quad Q9550 or 9650 at 4.0GHz isn't necessarily rare, but not as common as a 45nm dual core doing it. They generally need more voltage/produce more heat.

A Core 2 Quad Q6600, on the other hand, was a mixed bag. It was a quad core and it was a 65nm CPU as well, and those are two handicaps both working against you trying to get 4GHz (so if your Core 2 Quad Q6600 does 4.1GHz daily, it's probably beyond Golden). Doing 4.1GHz daily on that CPU is extremely uncommon, while almost any Core 2 Duo E8x00 will do 4.0GHz daily (assuming the right motherboard/RAM/cooler, as we're talking strictly of the CPUs here).
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You know how I can tell you didn't read the thread? ..Because the Xeon 5698 was mentioned 3-4 times as being a 4.4ghz dual core CPU that was introduced months ago.
My post had sarcasm included.Thanks for the info though.
   
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What part of "fully stable" (directly from the AT quote) don't you understand?

And why do you keep bringing up servers? The 2500k and 2600k we are discussing (however off topic it may be) are desktop chips. Still, FULLY STABLE.. for the third time already.
Because the 4Ghz chip is a server chip, that's why.

And Intel are very unlikely to just up the multiplier to release a chip they don't need, after all, if you use an OEM case (i.e. Probably little to no airflow) then temperatures are going to be a decent chunk higher than on a test-bench...Hence why I said 60c as well. Get a SFF case from Acer, HP, etc, put an ITX Z68 board and see how far you get with OCing while keeping it quiet and not blowing up the small 100w or so PSU.

Also, last time Intel was willy nilly upping multipliers left and right without proper testing this happened, that time Intel hit an architecture limit, but this time Intel is limited by everything else, temperatures for OEMs would probably be too high, they'd suck too much power (125w rating max, if I recall correctly?) and above all, they have no real need for said chip, AMD isn't competing well enough yet.

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A 1-2U heatsink will keep most SB chip stable at 4GHz+ in 40C ambients (and most server environments aren't that hot).

Also, you cannot compare temperatures reported for AMD and Intel CPUs as they represent significantly different physical locations on the chip.

The temps you see reported on an AMD system are representative of tCASE. On an Intel, it's distance to TJmax.
Some get fairly hot from what I've seen.

And I wasn't comparing AMD and Intel? If I was, I'd be using the ~55c safe max for AMD, Intel was 60c safe max for C2Ds, I figured even though the chips can go to higher temps, smaller cases do require some overhead.
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Because the 4Ghz chip is a server chip, that's why.

And Intel are very unlikely to just up the multiplier to release a chip they don't need, after all, if you use an OEM case (i.e. Probably little to no airflow) then temperatures are going to be a decent chunk higher than on a test-bench...Hence why I said 60c as well. Get a SFF case from Acer, HP, etc, put an ITX Z68 board and see how far you get with OCing while keeping it quiet and not blowing up the small 100w or so PSU.
No, Intel isn't limited by anything at the moment, except lack of competition. No way would upping the 2500k to 4 ghz make it draw over 125 watts. They're 95 watt TDP right now, and draw less actual power than my (also 95 watt) i5 760.

No one is expecting to overclock on a 100 watt PSU, please man, what are you on about? Put this in perspective. Think about what you're saying.

..You're saying Intel couldn't make a 4 ghz Sandy Bridge because of 100 watt PSUs blowing up. You're saying SB can't be overclocked to 4 ghz on it's stock cooler (mind you, that's only a 2-300 mhz overclock) because of 100 watt PSUs blowing up.

I think you're just in denial. Bringing up the Pentium III issue was just icing on the cake.
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No, Intel isn't limited by anything at the moment, except lack of competition. No way would upping the 2500k to 4 ghz make it draw over 125 watts. They're 95 watt TDP right now, and draw less actual power than my (also 95 watt) i5 760.

No one is expecting to overclock on a 100 watt PSU, please man, what are you on about? Put this in perspective. Think about what you're saying.

..You're saying Intel couldn't make a 4 ghz Sandy Bridge because of 100 watt PSUs blowing up. You're saying SB can't be overclocked to 4 ghz on it's stock cooler (mind you, that's only a 2-300 mhz overclock) because of 100 watt PSUs blowing up.

I think you're just in denial. Bringing up the Pentium III issue was just icing on the cake.
You do realize the size of these cases I'm meaning are tiny? The ones I use every day have E8400s in them that load up in the 70c ranges at stock speeds, sure, 45nm but also a cooler running architecture and only 2 cores make up for that.

You're completely missing my point, Intels major customer is OEMs, isn't it? You make a 4Ghz stock server chip, it needs to be fully stable (Anand just saying "Fully stable" doesn't make it so, for one thing, they didn't say what they tested with that I could see, P95 does not reveal instability as well as LinX does as just one example.) or they'll repeat the P3 1.1Ghz fiasco (Hence the example)

And for clients? it needs to be worth it for the OEM to use it, if they just OC it to 4Ghz as you say (By just raising the multiplier and/maybe not voltage) then it needs to still fit within a small power envelope to be worth anything to an OEM.

Heck, every new OEM computer I've seen recently (Apart from high-end gaming or workstation ones) has a sub 95w chip as its highest option.

Power consumption and TDP may not be that important to most of the people here, or for full tower computers, but most desktops sold these days are SFF computers with no to little airflow going through the case, I can count about 8 off the top of my head that are like this that I know...The biggest ones being half height mATX cases, most being half height ITX, only one of the cases having any fans at all bar the heatsink fans. (For reference, I put my E2180 in there and it's a good 16c higher load with a better cooler than it was in the CM690 I had at the time)
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Intel actually had a true 4GHz CPU a few months ago, 4.4GHz in fact; the X5698, although only Dual Core, still impressive. Shipped in OEM systems only, they think.

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In the middle of last year, when Intel produced pre-production parts for the next refresh of Xeon 5600-series, they also made several quite interesting Xeon samples. The most distinguishing feature of these chips was very high clock frequency. Even the slowest Xeon microprocessor from that group was clocked at 4 GHz, and the fastest one reached 4.66 GHz. One of these samples made into production, and started shipping earlier this year. The processor was released as Xeon X5698, and, at 4.4 GHz, it's the fastest Intel production CPU ever.

Intel Xeon X5698 is built on Westemere microarchitecture, and, with a couple of notable differences, shares many features with other Xeon 5600 chips. One of the differences, extremely high core frequency, we already mentioned above. This model has only two active CPU cores, and we believe that 4 other cores on the die are disabled. The processor comes with 12 MB L3 cache, HyperThreading, and works in socket 1366 motherboards. Intel X5698 has OEM part number AT80614007314AA, and S-spec number SLC32. We suspect that this SKU will be shipped only in OEM systems.
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You know how I can tell you didn't read the thread? ..Because the Xeon 5698 was mentioned 3-4 times as being a 4.4ghz dual core CPU that was introduced months ago.
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Intel actually had a true 4GHz CPU a few months ago, 4.4GHz in fact; the X5698, although only Dual Core, still impressive. Shipped in OEM systems only, they think.



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Having started this thread and having seen it already closed once by 5entinel, and to be re-opended again upon my explanation, I think I must add some clarification:

The title of the thread is a bit misleading, I'll give you all that, but I just followed the original title of the article, as it constitutes a good practice here on OCN, so as to not only make searches for possible reposts much easier, but also to keep things objective (from the poster's point of view, of course).


The title however, does not tell the whole story. The thread previoulsy quoted about the Xeon 5698 4.4 Ghz is about a custom made CPU for a client, which, to the best of my knowledge, is not available for purchase.

The Xeon in this thread on the other hand is available and part of the Intel family, as mentioned in the spec update the article mentions.

Thus, we are talking about different products. The Xeon in this news is a new four core product, while the X5698 is a custom dual core product for the 1366 platform, which is an older platform on it's way out.

All in all, we can't compare the two products. Because of platform and availability. The newsworthiness in this thread lies in the fact that this Xeon in particular is available for purchase, and because it has so many similarities with the consumer Sandy Bridge, we may soon have one too with a Turbo Boost of 4 Ghz.

So, in effect, while the title may imply this is old news, the content of the news itself is mentioning a new product for a new platform, which ultimately also opens new possibilites for the consumer.

Let's not forget one thing: we all have custom coolers and voltage tweaking knowledge on how to make a 2500k or 2600k run at 4 Ghz on all four cores, but that is not really the point of this discussion.

What matters here is that after all these years Intel felt confident in it's tests to make a chip that can reliably work at 4 Ghz, even if it's just on one core, for it's entire warranty period of 3 years with the stock cooler. This is about mass market, not minority overclocking, and as such is a landmark which will ultimately benefit us all.
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