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Yeah, I wasn't comparing them, just thought it'd be interesting to add. Not trying to argue,

I mean, Intel made a 4GHz Pentium 4, but obviously that's not relevant.

It's impressive to see these speeds at stock, hopefully in the future they'll be higher, and higher volume production of them.
    
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That 4Ghz P4 was never released though, they got to 3.8 and had heat problems on the stock heatsink that caused the CPU to throttle.
    
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Originally Posted by SmokinWaffle View Post
Yeah, I wasn't comparing them, just thought it'd be interesting to add. Not trying to argue,

I mean, Intel made a 4GHz Pentium 4, but obviously that's not relevant.

It's impressive to see these speeds at stock, hopefully in the future they'll be higher, and higher volume production of them.

Yes, I noticed you didn't close the thread , but in any case, since this had been mentioned some times before in the thread, I already intended to explain this yesterday.


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Originally Posted by Brutuz View Post
That 4Ghz P4 was never released though, they got to 3.8 and had heat problems on the stock heatsink that caused the CPU to throttle.

True, they even had problems with the 3.6 Ghz one. It had to have good thermal paste on the stock heatsink - the original would do fine, but if you replaced it with standard quality silicone TIM, it would start throttling.

The only place you'll find the 4 Ghz Pentium 4 is really Intel's ARK. Ever since they implemented that ARK system instead of the Processor Spec Finder, it's a mess. Lots of CPU's with the TDP messed up, released CPU's mixed together with non-released CPU's, it's a mess...
Edited by tpi2007 - 6/9/11 at 6:07am
 
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And I wasn't comparing AMD and Intel? If I was, I'd be using the ~55c safe max for AMD, Intel was 60c safe max for C2Ds, I figured even though the chips can go to higher temps, smaller cases do require some overhead.
You are comparing them right here.

The only way to accurately measure tCASE on an Intel chip is physically cut a trench in the IHS and install your own thermal probe directly over the center of the die.

Intel's chips with IHS list the maxium safe tCASE in their white papers, but these numbers are useless in practice.

When you start your temp monitoring software on an intel platform, it's going to read distance to tjmax.

My CPU has a tjmax of 100C and a maximum tcase of 67C, I believe. These are reached by a CPU at the same temperature, just measured at different places.

When hwmonitor, coretemp, realtemp, or whatever says my CPU is 90C, I still have about 5C-10C to go before hitting that 67C tcase limit.
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Intel was 60c safe max for C2Ds
According to what? If you're going by TjMax, it's way higher. It wildly varies depending on the exact chip (and even stepping). Most Core 2 Duos are over, sometimes well over, 60C though. I think the lowest TjMax for any Core 2 Duo is 70C, namely the very early ones (so most people probably advised to aim for 60C or lower at the time, which is where that old habit of saying the limit is 60C might be sticking from).

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/intel-...ews-29460.html
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According to what? If you're going by TjMax, it's way higher. It wildly varies depending on the exact chip (and even stepping). Most Core 2 Duos are over, sometimes well over, 60C though. I think the lowest TjMax for any Core 2 Duo is 70C, namely the very early ones (so most people probably advised to aim for 60C or lower at the time, which is where that old habit of saying the limit is 60C might be sticking from).

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/intel-...ews-29460.html
60c was the recommended limit due to the differences in chips, they *could* go higher but it gave you some overhead in case a fan failure occurred.
    
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