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Yes sir, i'm blinded because i'm pointing out your flawed comparison of how two totally different products are being launched and publicized.

You know, you really can't fit the triangle into the circle.
While they are different processors for different segments of the market, I think it is fair to wonder why they chose a different marketing strategy for Llano (releasing direct comparison to SB). There must be a reason for that - or, what I find most likely, they were simply farther down the roadmap with Llano and we will see these comparisons soon for BD.
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Yes sir, i'm blinded because i'm pointing out your flawed comparison of how two totally different products are being launched and publicized.

You know, you really can't fit the triangle into the circle.
Llano = APU = computer processor aimed at mainstream
Bulldozer = computer processor aimed at enthusiast

They are not that much different are they? They are aimed at different markets, yes, but at the end of the day, they are both computer processors.

What do they have in common, they are being made by AMD!

My point is, AMD is bringing 2 products to market differently.

1. Llano - AMD is confident about it being better than SB, and are not afraid to flaunt it, hence the video showing its superiority over SB. Plus, not to mention everything out there about Llano that shows their confidence in the product.

Frankly, is anyone shocked that AMD's APU is better than Intel's? Radeon cores vs Intel's IGP, big surprise that it's better.

2. Bulldozer - what exactly do we know about Bulldozer's performance?

ZIP - ZILCH - NADA and it's pretty clear why. Perhaps it's not better than SB, like Llano is?

If AMD was as confident about Bulldozer as they are about Llano, we would hear all about it.

Of course, I don't expect you to understand this either.
Edited by 2010rig - 6/7/11 at 10:15am
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what i think JE Nightmare meant was that Llano is a fusion APU which is a new concept and hence they wanted to show it off early, but BD is a traditional x86 cpu.
and all the demos only show the igp side of things because it is far greater than intel's hd 3000 so they wanted to reveal it right after the sandy bridge launch.
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What do they have in common, they are being made by AMD!

My point is, AMD is bringing 2 products to market differently.
Exactly. Think of it not as comparing two processors, but rather comparing the differing marketing strategy of two products.
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What do they have in common, they are being made by AMD!

My point is, AMD is bringing 2 products to market differently.
My point is AMD is in fact marketing two different products(don't think to hard on that, i'm not being literal when i say different product), focused on two different areas of the market... differently. How you don't understand that is beyond me.

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Exactly. Think of it not as comparing two processors, but rather comparing the differing marketing strategy of two products.
Exactly what i'm trying to get across. Maybe with you saying it he'll understand.
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Exactly what i'm trying to get across. Maybe with you saying it he'll understand.
I'm telling you that If that's what you're trying to say then I don't understand what you're arguing with him for, it's the exact same thing he said

Yes, they are not the same processor or for the same market. But why the different marketing strategy? Just saying they are different doesn't give any insight as to the reasoning behind this. As I said before, I think it was a case of different timelines and we will see such comparisons soon.
Edited by Iceman23 - 6/7/11 at 10:34am
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Time lines is also a fitting reason for the way the have gone about this. Although i may not have been clear, i'm saying the same thing as you. What i'm getting at is he can't base his argument of Bulldozer not being under NDA based on the simple fact that they have gone about marketing Llano differently.
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Exactly. Think of it not as comparing two processors, but rather comparing the differing marketing strategy of two products.
I didn't think I was making it that complicated.

It's pretty obvious what I'm trying to say.

1. They are confident in Llano, and they are flaunting how much better is.

2. Bulldozer......not so much.
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I didn't think I was making it that complicated.

It's pretty obvious what I'm trying to say.

1. They are confident in Llano, and they are flaunting how much better is.

2. Bulldozer......not so much.
At this point it's pure speculation. One can argue that if Bulldozer was all it was touted to be then AMD would be flaunting it as much as Llano. However on the other hand you should reference AMD's marketing strategy in the past especially in regards to the scarcity of details before the 48XX launch or the 6990 launch. There's no use arguing in this aspect as we will see results once we have production and retail availability of Zambezei.
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I didn't think I was making it that complicated.

It's pretty obvious what I'm trying to say.

1. They are confident in Llano, and they are flaunting how much better is.

2. Bulldozer......not so much.
No I know exactly what you were saying, I was just trying to put it in different words for him.
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