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Pretty sure BF3 will use more then 2 cores given how much BC2 uses now.
BC2 is a console port, if BF3 is as they say "built from the ground up" for PC first then a high-end dual core could be enough to make it playable -- not 60FPS, but around half that. How BC2 performs is irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by TMallory View Post
Hey everyone. I'm in a bit of a predicament. Bulldozer comes out at the end of the year/early next year, but I want to upgrade this summer for Witcher 2, Skyrim, Battlefield 3, etc.

So here's my plan. I was going to get an AM3+ motherboard and a cheap Phenom II X4 to play those games, and then upgrade to Bulldozer around Christmas or next year if/when they're cheaper.

How does that sound? I have a nice dual-core that's OC'd, but I feel like having a quad core will make a difference for those games.
I'd go with the 8 core instead. It may sound like overkill now, but I'm pretty sure it'll future proof your rig a lot more.
    
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I was just about to ask about the i5's...I didn't know the next-gen chips would use the same sockets/mobos! That changes everything. I might as well get the unlocked i5 quad (better than the Phenom II's, right?) and stick with that for awhile before upgrading to Ivy Bridge.
If its for gaming there is nothing better currently on the market than the i5-2500k when it comes to performance -> price.

Since many current gen games coming out now are still dual threaded, I don't personally see the point in purchasing a cpu with more than 4 cores/threads. Someday a higher core count might actually matter. But that day isn't today. Nor do I feel it will be anytime within the scope of your next upgrade path.

If you're going for gaming performance in todays market then the i5-2500k offers the best performance. However cpu performance needs to be relative to gpu performance. A single 460 in most titles would perform about the same on a 955 as it would on a i5-2500k, there would be some slight differences however I don't think the price difference of $100 between the two would be justified. In your case most of the time the gpu will be the bottleneck with either chip, however that changes quit rapidly once you start moving up the gpu bracket, the 460 is the highest I would recommend someone use a Phenom II with.

What I'm saying is if you plan to keep the 460 until your next cpu upgrade a 955 will work great for you. If you're planning to go SLI or get a single higher end gpu or upgrade to 600/7000 series later this year then the i5-2500k is the way to go.

If you're a gamer stay away from the eight core bulldozer chip if you're going that route, extra cores don't provide extra performance if they aren't used. People will say silly things like "future proof" when it comes to CPUs, and the truth is none really are. They said the same thing about Thuban, and most people who bought those less than a year ago can't stop wishing for bulldozer.
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115072 - $225.00

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103923 - $179.99 - Top of the line Phenom II... or you can spend $50 even less and OC and get same perofrmance. I'm sorry but imo, Intel is not the best bang for the buck.
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Because Phenom II is as fast as SB.

Why not list a sempron for $26, your argument would be just as not valid.
    
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If its for gaming there is nothing better currently on the market than the i5-2500k when it comes to performance -> price.

Since many current gen games coming out now are still dual threaded, I don't personally see the point in purchasing a cpu with more than 4 cores/threads. Someday a higher core count might actually matter. But that day isn't today. Nor do I feel it will be anytime within the scope of your next upgrade path.

If you're going for gaming performance in todays market then the i5-2500k offers the best performance. However cpu performance needs to be relative to gpu performance. A single 460 in most titles would perform about the same on a 955 as it would on a i5-2500k, there would be some slight differences however I don't think the price difference of $100 between the two would be justified. In your case most of the time the gpu will be the bottleneck with either chip, however that changes quit rapidly once you start moving up the gpu bracket, the 460 is the highest I would recommend someone use a Phenom II with.

What I'm saying is if you plan to keep the 460 until your next cpu upgrade a 955 will work great for you. If you're planning to go SLI or get a single higher end gpu or upgrade to 600/7000 series later this year then the i5-2500k is the way to go.

If you're a gamer stay away from the eight core bulldozer chip if you're going that route, extra cores don't provide extra performance if they aren't used. People will say silly things like "future proof" when it comes to CPUs, and the truth is none really are. They said the same thing about Thuban, and most people who bought those less than a year ago can't stop wishing for bulldozer.
Well I plan on upgrading the CPU/mobo/memory at the end of the summer. I'll probably buy a new video card in the fall, maybe Christmas at the latest. I'm leaning towards the i5 even though it costs more than the Phenom. I'm only using this desktop for gaming and general multitasking by the way.
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I have to admit, I had smoother gameplay on a 2600k at stock than I did on the Phenom II at 4.3 or 4.4GHz.

Same GPU used on both.

Same speed memory too, although this set was better than the XM3's I have for SB.

When I play NBA 2k11, my system is jittery, especially on non-game transitions. I had none of that on SB.

I also have a c300 128 on this and had a 64 on sb
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This is news to me. :/ I was hoping it would come out for summer, before Battlefield 3 comes out. I think I might follow in your foot steps.

Your dual-core meets the minimum for BF3 but they recommend a quad-core.
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This is news to me. :/ I was hoping it would come out for summer, before Battlefield 3 comes out. I think I might follow in your foot steps.

Your dual-core meets the minimum for BF3 but they recommend a quad-core.
BF3 is a game I want to run at 60fps on pretty high settings. I've been waiting for this game for years

I think getting an i5 2500k this summer and a new video card (something around $200-230) near the release date of Skyrim/BF3.
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Ivy bridge will be on 1155, you won't need to swap boards next year if you want to upgrade from SB to IB.
Unfortunately there is no guarantee if present LGA1155 will be future proof.

Current status is, IB will require very different system management in bios/efi, and this thing is not user flashable at home. Only boardmaker can do this.
    
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Fudzilla (lol) claims it's still 1155, but the current mobos won't work.

Honestly given that you already have an e8400 @ 4ghz, which is a very capable CPU, I would just hold out longer. Especially considering the fact nobody knows how Bulldozer is going to perform. If I was on your setup I would be content holding out a few more months. Once Bulldozer materializes, you can first decide whether or not you want it. If you do want it, pick up an AM3+ board. If you don't have all the funds ready, pick up a Phenom II, which I'm sure tons of people will be selling btw since I foresee many people upgrading to Bulldozer, and that will hold you off until you get the magical Bulldozer at Christmas or whenever.
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