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To all you people who are going: "This is against democracy", "This is suppressing social media" and "Banning words is stupid and shouldn't be done"

Well, newsflash. Let me give you an example to all you people saying you are happy to live in the US and this sort of **** doesn't happen there, well. Ever seen Mythbusters? EVERY time they use a branded product it is concealed what the product is. That is not the choice of Mythbusters, that is LAW.

And it makes sense. Most countries have laws that protect people from having adverts thrown at them subliminally etc. And be glad about that!

And this is democracy, this is voted about by people whom the French elected themselves, so please don't talk about that.

On a personal note i am sick and tired of people telling me to follow their crap on Facebook or sign up for their competition there or watch their twitter etc. What happened to the nice old days where stuff like that was on THEIR OWN DAMN SITE, excuse the language, but i don't wanna have a Facebook account, forcing me to create one to participate in this kind of stuff is ridicules.
Now some people are probably gonna tell me to just be modern and enjoy social media and have a Facebook account. To you, all i have to say is that i don't think Facebook is beneficial, i think they spy on (dumb)people(in the sense that most people just don't seem to give a damn about Facebook knowing almost everything about you) and creating directed adverts, plus many of their plugins are hard to get rid of and are often hidden in out of place options menus. Generally i find Facebook very shady.
well said sir
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To all you people who are going: "This is against democracy", "This is suppressing social media" and "Banning words is stupid and shouldn't be done"

Well, newsflash. Let me give you an example to all you people saying you are happy to live in the US and this sort of **** doesn't happen there, well. Ever seen Mythbusters? EVERY time they use a branded product it is concealed what the product is. That is not the choice of Mythbusters, that is LAW.

And it makes sense. Most countries have laws that protect people from having adverts thrown at them subliminally etc. And be glad about that!

And this is democracy, this is voted about by people whom the French elected themselves, so please don't talk about that.

On a personal note i am sick and tired of people telling me to follow their crap on Facebook or sign up for their competition there or watch their twitter etc. What happened to the nice old days where stuff like that was on THEIR OWN DAMN SITE, excuse the language, but i don't wanna have a Facebook account, forcing me to create one to participate in this kind of stuff is ridicules.
Now some people are probably gonna tell me to just be modern and enjoy social media and have a Facebook account. To you, all i have to say is that i don't think Facebook is beneficial, i think they spy on (dumb)people(in the sense that most people just don't seem to give a damn about Facebook knowing almost everything about you) and creating directed adverts, plus many of their plugins are hard to get rid of and are often hidden in out of place options menus. Generally i find Facebook very shady.
Copyright laws have not a thing to do with any of this. Your comparison is from so far out of left field...

Seriously all I got out of your post was that your tired of facebook and are glad that someone is fighting the big bad bully for you. No offense dude but that was a serious whine.

No one forces you to create a facebook account. Even if they did so what. That barely qualifies as a tangent to the article. Wanting to debate the aggravation of having to create a facebook account get special promos from a company is fine, but let's do that in another thread. Sure it can be an annoyance, but it's no worse than having to subscribe to a website like newegg with your email.
    
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The French never got over English becoming dominant language and usurping French. A lot of our words have a French origin dating back from French rule of Brittan. Now their ministry of culture thinks they are acting to protect their language but really they are trying to keep France technologically backwards, at least in language. Its sad really.
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Copyright laws have not a thing to do with any of this. Your comparison is from so far out of left field...

Seriously all I got out of your post was that your tired of facebook and are glad that someone is fighting the big bad bully for you. No offense dude but that was a serious whine.

No one forces you to create a facebook account. Even if they did so what. That barely qualifies as a tangent to the article. Wanting to debate the aggravation of having to create a facebook account get special promos from a company is fine, but let's do that in another thread. Sure it can be an annoyance, but it's no worse than having to subscribe to a website like newegg with your email.
Copyright laws, umad bro? This is about product placement, something ENTIRELY different.

In case you didn't notice i did say it was on a personal note, and as such should not be interpreted as to having something to do with the rest.
    
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Best law ever? I think so!
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Another reason that I'm glad to be an American.

This is the age of social media. Catch up, or get left behind.
Similar laws exist in the US. Wait for one like this to be introduced soon.
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Wow, this is spot on. Though I doubt that saying these is a real problem, I mean...


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No, it's not. The US Government does not ban word usage at all. Rather there is a fine for saying words circumstances not permitting. You cannot ban any words and then still promote that you offer freedom of the press and/or free speech.

There's also the wonderful darker side of this ruling which sets a precedence for banning a specific company from being mentioned in media. Wonderful that GDF Suez might one day piss off the government and be banned from news.

Anyone who defends this is taking a step down the road to censored freedoms all in the name of fairness and protection. This shouldn't be the governments job. Let the people decide if it offends them.
Get a grip. The government DOES dictate what is and is not appropriate for broadcast media. The FCC sets, oversees, and enforces regulations for what is and is not acceptable for broadcast media. Last I checked, the "F" in FCC stands for federal, which has just a little bit to do with the government. So yes, the government does enforce rules for what is acceptable and unacceptable to be used on broadcast media.

Freedom of speech, freedom of the press, please. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech/press, and I get sick of people saying that someone/something being prohibited from doing something is violating their freedom of speech/press. It's not. Freedom of speech and freedom of the press do not mean freedom to do whatever you want. Laws like this have nothing to do with being able to report the news freely (as stated in the article, news sources can still make reports about facebook, twitter, etc., they just cannot advertise for them by saying "follow us on xxx"), and has nothing to do with someone's personal views (and also, it has nothing to do with the US, but whatever). It's because there's an obvious conflict of interest for a commercial news (or whatever) body to indirectly provide advertisement for another company (without an explicit advertisement agreement), whilst not promoting other similar companies equally. A news station saying "follow us on facebook" has an obvious inference of excluding other similar private services. THAT is the reason--it has absolutely NOTHING to do with personal freedoms, and NOTHING to do with being able to accurately report the news. Jesus.
    
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Copyright laws, umad bro? This is about product placement, something ENTIRELY different.

In case you didn't notice i did say it was on a personal note, and as such should not be interpreted as to having something to do with the rest.
Mad? No. The only emotion I wish to convey is joviality. Please explain to me why you believe product placement laws exist? The parallels between copyright laws and product placement do exist my friend.


However, lets go ahead and look at product placement laws. In essence, the foremost problem is that consumers are unaware that they are being bombarded with advertisements. This so called "stealth advertising" is condemned by people for all sorts of reasons. Some of them may even be valid. As Federal Communications Commission (“FCC”) regulations
indicate, consumers have a right to know when they are being
subjected to an advertisement.

That isn't the reason shows like Mythbusters don't show products though. Showing the actual brands would become an official endorsement for the real product. As such, the manufacturer would receive the benefit of free advertising, and their competitors would then complain and demand equal time and in the same show. It would get rather messy, so production TV shows don't allow brand names to appear. However there is no law against it that I know of. Mythbusters could affiliate themselves with coke if they wanted to, although that would open them up to potential lawsuits if they advertised it either for free (from other beverage companies) or without permission (from Coke).

So I'm confused Kemo Sabe. Please enlighten me if I'm mistaken.


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Get a grip. The government DOES dictate what is and is not appropriate for broadcast media. The FCC sets, oversees, and enforces regulations for what is and is not acceptable for broadcast media. Last I checked, the "F" in FCC stands for federal, which has just a little bit to do with the government. So yes, the government does enforce rules for what is acceptable and unacceptable to be used on broadcast media.

Freedom of speech, freedom of the press, please. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech/press, and I get sick of people saying that someone/something being prohibited from doing something is violating their freedom of speech/press. It's not. Freedom of speech and freedom of the press do not mean freedom to do whatever you want. Laws like this have nothing to do with being able to report the news freely (as stated in the article, news sources can still make reports about facebook, twitter, etc., they just cannot advertise for them by saying "follow us on xxx"), and has nothing to do with someone's personal views (and also, it has nothing to do with the US, but whatever). It's because there's an obvious conflict of interest for a commercial news (or whatever) body to indirectly provide advertisement for another company (without an explicit advertisement agreement), whilst not promoting other similar companies equally. A news station saying "follow us on facebook" has an obvious inference of excluding other similar private services. THAT is the reason--it has absolutely NOTHING to do with personal freedoms, and NOTHING to do with being able to accurately report the news. Jesus.

I'm confused where you corrected anything I said. The FCC does regulate and they fine people for violations exactly as I said. Do network television shows still use words that the FCC has associated fines with? Absolutely. As for your argument this has nothing to do with freedom of speech/press, we will simply have to agree to disagree. Your certainly entitled to your opinion, and I will always defend your right to say it unlike certain French governments.

I do agree that you are right that money certainly enters into this ruling. I don't agree about a "conflict of interest," though maybe I am misunderstanding your context. And while I can certainly understand your capitalized opinion that this ruling had nothing to do with personal freedoms, it certainly has an effect on them doesn't it? Ergo it does effect them although inadvertently.
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I'm confused where you corrected anything I said. The FCC does regulate and they fine people for violations exactly as I said. Do network television shows still use words that the FCC has associated fines with? Absolutely. As for your argument this has nothing to do with freedom of speech/press, we will simply have to agree to disagree. Your certainly entitled to your opinion, and I will always defend your right to say it unlike certain French governments.
You're arguing semantics. "Banning" words that people can say on a news broadcast vs. receiving a fine if you use a word on a list of "unacceptable" words somewhere is the same thing. If the FCC came down and said "you 'can't' say the word xxxx on the air lest you be fined" is the same thing as if they said, "we're banning the word xxxx," as in the case of the article. What happens in either case if a word is used? Punishment is dealt out, and it essentially comes from the government. You originally said that the government does not ban word usage. If you want to argue semantics in that the government doesn't use the word "ban" to dictate what can and cannot be said--fine, you win, the US government doesn't "ban" words--but it still states what words can and cannot be said without punishment, so the end message is the same, regardless of what you want to call it.

there's no difference between saying "we're not punishing you, we're just going to lock you up in a cell if you do 'this' or 'that.'" The end product is the same regardless of how it's worded.

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I do agree that you are right that money certainly enters into this ruling. I don't agree about a "conflict of interest," though maybe I am misunderstanding your context.
Maybe conflict of interest was not the way I should have stated it, rather than it's an unfair situation where one service is promoted just because the news station uses it. It opens up the issue of unofficial spokespersonship that can land the broadcasting station in hot water (will that likely happen? probably not--it's probably more out of fairness to other services).

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And while I can certainly understand your capitalized opinion that this ruling had nothing to do with personal freedoms, it certainly has an effect on them doesn't it? Ergo it does effect them although inadvertently.
How does a news station not being able to (indirectly) promote a service they may or may not use have any bearing on personal freedoms? There was no decree made that people cannot talk about the words, they just cannot promote them on a station broadcast. They can still discuss the words in a news story context.
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