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Originally Posted by guyladouche View Post
You're arguing semantics. "Banning" words that people can say on a news broadcast vs. receiving a fine if you use a word on a list of "unacceptable" words somewhere is the same thing. If the FCC came down and said "you 'can't' say the word xxxx on the air lest you be fined" is the same thing as if they said, "we're banning the word xxxx," as in the case of the article. What happens in either case if a word is used? Punishment is dealt out, and it essentially comes from the government. You originally said that the government does not ban word usage. If you want to argue semantics in that the government doesn't use the word "ban" to dictate what can and cannot be said--fine, you win, the US government doesn't "ban" words--but it still states what words can and cannot be said without punishment, so the end message is the same, regardless of what you want to call it.

there's no difference between saying "we're not punishing you, we're just going to lock you up in a cell if you do 'this' or 'that.'" The end product is the same regardless of how it's worded.

Perhaps I didn't elaborate enough. The FCC doesn't impose blanket fines for the word a**h*** for example. It can be said in some circumstances and during certain time frames. And while you may argue that I'm still debating semantics I would disagree. The distinction is a small one perhaps, but enormous in it's difference. A blanket ban versus a ban imposed on public broadcast stations during regularly scheduled programming to protect children's ears (Yeah I totally made that last bit up) is very different. And I would happily argue that the FCC should but out of all cable programs and only have any authority over government subsidized programming.

In the end this isn't the same argument though. America has no law banning anyone from saying find us on twitter or facebook. And it will probably stay that way.


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Maybe conflict of interest was not the way I should have stated it, rather than it's an unfair situation where one service is promoted just because the news station uses it. It opens up the issue of unofficial spokespersonship that can land the broadcasting station in hot water (will that likely happen? probably not--it's probably more out of fairness to other services).
Unfair? Why? You want to penalize a company because it invented a good product? That's asinine. In the same way Kleenex and Maxi Pad became synonymous with the products they represented, Facebook and Twitter are the faces of internet media along with youtube and others. Your arguing they should be punished for that? Screw that. If another company wants to have the news media in France plugging their media site, then they should develop something better. That I am all for.

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How does a news station not being able to (indirectly) promote a service they may or may not use have any bearing on personal freedoms? There was no decree made that people cannot talk about the words, they just cannot promote them on a station broadcast. They can still discuss the words in a news story context.
Your last paragraph just touched on what we have been talking about this whole time. How do you not understand? I suggest we let this die as semantics is really just each of us arguing our own interpretation of the article at this point and I highly doubt you'll ever agree with me. C'est la vie.

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Thank goodness. Now I know where to go so I don't have to hear people screaming about what they're doing on Facebook and Twitter.
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While normally this might be a good guess, I'm pretty sure France is actually very Muslim intolerant compared to most nations of its economic status. Last I checked there was a big stir about a lot of anti-Muslim legislation passed in France. Muslim religious attire was banned in public buildings, as well as some strict new rules about where mosques can be built (if it all, I forget the details). A lot of Muslims are moving into France and the government is trying its best to make them assimilate as much as possible so as to preserve traditional French stuff.
I am not saying that it is fair to Muslim faith, but I can see that you have a bit of misunderstanding about French culture there (unless you can dig news report of the exact cases support your claim):

First you have to understand that the Catholic Church in Europe dictated a lot of political decision for centuries. France at some point even being labelled as the daughter of the Roman Catholic Church. When the French Revolution happened, the decision was taken to strictly separate the Church and the State. This is actually one of the foundation principle of the French Republic.

This explains the ban against wearing Muslim symbol, as making an exception for people of Muslim faith would actually be a positive discrimination which coincidently is against the principle of equality of the French Republic (its motto being: Liberty, Equality, Fraternity). You have to remember that it is against the law to show ostensible symbols of your faith in a public office or at school, regardless of your faith.

Then there is another ban regarding the wearing of gear covering the face, which I believe is NOT targeting only women of Muslim faith deciding to wear the traditional Hijab (full facial veil). And that law could be simply the result of tighter police decision, as a good part of the French population has always been inclined to have very conservative point of view, politically speaking (yeah that an euphemism for extreme right winger with fascist tendencies).

Regarding the regulation to build new mosque, I could not find any reference after a quick Google search and I would be greatful for one or more links there.


I hope this will help to have a better understanding of our differences.

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Maybe i'm reading it wrong, but this sounds stupid.
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